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		<title>By: Abhi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(regarding comment by Reuben)

That doesn't make sense.  Because if they're all interested in monopoly pricing, all consumers will flock to the largest monopoly.  All it would take is for 2 of them to cooperate and that'll blow the rest out of the water.

I'm sure there is some kind of restriction.

And again, in ANY case, if the cell phone companies themselves don't seek interconnectivity, why should someone in government FORCE it?  I differ on your fundamental assumption that the government or for that matter any layman knows the business better than the businessmen themselves.</description>
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<p>That doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Because if they&#8217;re all interested in monopoly pricing, all consumers will flock to the largest monopoly.  All it would take is for 2 of them to cooperate and that&#8217;ll blow the rest out of the water.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there is some kind of restriction.</p>
<p>And again, in ANY case, if the cell phone companies themselves don&#8217;t seek interconnectivity, why should someone in government FORCE it?  I differ on your fundamental assumption that the government or for that matter any layman knows the business better than the businessmen themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Abraham</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, they didn't inter-connect because of purely commercial reasons, namely the possibility of charging monopoly rents.</description>
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		<title>By: Abhi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regulation *may* be necessary (not 'is' but 'may' depending on whose interests are being serverd).  Then again who's to say that governments need to chip in the regulation??

Self-regulation or cooperation is the right kind of regulation.  In the Somali example, I wonder why the different cell phone didn't interconnect, against their own commercial interest! I'm pretty sure too, there are strong political reasons why that happened and not commercial reasons.

When so many technologies have evolved without (and in spite of) any government's interfernce (bluetooth etc), why on earth do we need a government official telling us what to do or not?

Who needs regulation, when we can cooperate &#38; make 'standards'? 

I know why, all those socialists start screaming 'collusion', that's why!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regulation *may* be necessary (not &#8216;is&#8217; but &#8216;may&#8217; depending on whose interests are being serverd).  Then again who&#8217;s to say that governments need to chip in the regulation??</p>
<p>Self-regulation or cooperation is the right kind of regulation.  In the Somali example, I wonder why the different cell phone didn&#8217;t interconnect, against their own commercial interest! I&#8217;m pretty sure too, there are strong political reasons why that happened and not commercial reasons.</p>
<p>When so many technologies have evolved without (and in spite of) any government&#8217;s interfernce (bluetooth etc), why on earth do we need a government official telling us what to do or not?</p>
<p>Who needs regulation, when we can cooperate &amp; make &#8217;standards&#8217;? </p>
<p>I know why, all those socialists start screaming &#8216;collusion&#8217;, that&#8217;s why!</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rural india is hardly a free market society. Even your land is liable to be redistributed to 
a member of an official victim group.Govt intervention runs huge at all scales. Infact it shows clear features of what happens under a Socialist regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rural india is hardly a free market society. Even your land is liable to be redistributed to<br />
a member of an official victim group.Govt intervention runs huge at all scales. Infact it shows clear features of what happens under a Socialist regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Abraham</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways, a country like Somalia fits the libertarian-anarchist ideal, because there really is no government at all there. I remember talking to some private sector players from Somalia back in 2001. The mobile phone sector was flourishing with about 4-5 operators taking advantage of open market conditions. The trouble was that in the absence of regulation regarding interconnection of networks, none of the operators would interconnect with the other, which meant that businessmesn in Somalia, for instance, had to keep 4-5 phones with them. So, if you wanted to call someone on network X, you had to use the red phone and to call someone on network Y, you had to use the blue phone.

I think those of us who grew up in India under the socialist Raj have an instinctive dislike of regulation of any sort. However, for capitalism to work optimally, regulation is absolutely necessary. Adam Smith knew this and talked about it. I did my own research on the impact of mobile phones on rural markets in India (and elsewhere), and while the phones have had some impact on the poor, it could do a *great* deal more if the institutional mechanisms were stronger at the lower end of the income spectrum. Trust me, the brutality of unregulated, Darwinian capitalism that you see in rural India will lead you to very quickly question your assumptions about regulation and the need for it. 

As for the question of how much regulation is required, that's very tricky since it's a very subjective measure. All I can say is that regulation ought to be enabling in nature, i.e. it enables capitalism to function properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways, a country like Somalia fits the libertarian-anarchist ideal, because there really is no government at all there. I remember talking to some private sector players from Somalia back in 2001. The mobile phone sector was flourishing with about 4-5 operators taking advantage of open market conditions. The trouble was that in the absence of regulation regarding interconnection of networks, none of the operators would interconnect with the other, which meant that businessmesn in Somalia, for instance, had to keep 4-5 phones with them. So, if you wanted to call someone on network X, you had to use the red phone and to call someone on network Y, you had to use the blue phone.</p>
<p>I think those of us who grew up in India under the socialist Raj have an instinctive dislike of regulation of any sort. However, for capitalism to work optimally, regulation is absolutely necessary. Adam Smith knew this and talked about it. I did my own research on the impact of mobile phones on rural markets in India (and elsewhere), and while the phones have had some impact on the poor, it could do a *great* deal more if the institutional mechanisms were stronger at the lower end of the income spectrum. Trust me, the brutality of unregulated, Darwinian capitalism that you see in rural India will lead you to very quickly question your assumptions about regulation and the need for it. </p>
<p>As for the question of how much regulation is required, that&#8217;s very tricky since it&#8217;s a very subjective measure. All I can say is that regulation ought to be enabling in nature, i.e. it enables capitalism to function properly.</p>
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		<title>By: sumeet</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>sumeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos "plush seats"...I don't want to repeat an earlier argument, but will just ask why exactly the "government" (even assuming it is a homogenous body of do-gooders) should be considered better qualified to sit in plush seats in the capital and dispense social justice than the sum of individual self-interests. "Plush seats" a.k.a. "kursi" would be exactly what interests people interested in running the government anyway.
And in response to those who advocate "a little bit of" or "prudent" regulation, I still think it is hard to reach a consensus as to what is "prudent". What is benevolent regulation to one party would be intervention to another. Besides, leaving the state to make this "prudent" judgement on how much regulation in what sector is beneficial to which part of society vests too much discretionary power in one place, and would be a sure recipe for corruption.....something we already see everyday...devoid of the powers vested in politics and bureaucracy, there would be not much reason (incentive) to bribe anyone. 
The altruism of the capitalist is purely "unintentional", the altruism of the socialist is condescending, and since it is a mechanism of doling out favours, also prone to corruption and exploitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos &#8220;plush seats&#8221;&#8230;I don&#8217;t want to repeat an earlier argument, but will just ask why exactly the &#8220;government&#8221; (even assuming it is a homogenous body of do-gooders) should be considered better qualified to sit in plush seats in the capital and dispense social justice than the sum of individual self-interests. &#8220;Plush seats&#8221; a.k.a. &#8220;kursi&#8221; would be exactly what interests people interested in running the government anyway.<br />
And in response to those who advocate &#8220;a little bit of&#8221; or &#8220;prudent&#8221; regulation, I still think it is hard to reach a consensus as to what is &#8220;prudent&#8221;. What is benevolent regulation to one party would be intervention to another. Besides, leaving the state to make this &#8220;prudent&#8221; judgement on how much regulation in what sector is beneficial to which part of society vests too much discretionary power in one place, and would be a sure recipe for corruption&#8230;..something we already see everyday&#8230;devoid of the powers vested in politics and bureaucracy, there would be not much reason (incentive) to bribe anyone.<br />
The altruism of the capitalist is purely &#8220;unintentional&#8221;, the altruism of the socialist is condescending, and since it is a mechanism of doling out favours, also prone to corruption and exploitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus the fact that our politicians are potential if not actual mass murderers.
All the big massacres (Delhi 1984, Bombay 1993, Gujarat 2002) were planned and executed
by the Govt. 
Another Fallacy (that even liberals fall to): Maoists/Naxalites are pro-poor. 
A Free economy is esp. important for a multi-ethnic society like us. 
A socialist/intervenist setup in a multi-ethnic society (esp with an electoral democracy) soon degenreates into tribal warfare as each tribe/caste seeks to obtain economic goods via State power. 
A free economy distributes goods much more peacefully. 
Note: We all dont get to sit on plush seats. Eg I only get to sit on a plain cane chair all day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus the fact that our politicians are potential if not actual mass murderers.<br />
All the big massacres (Delhi 1984, Bombay 1993, Gujarat 2002) were planned and executed<br />
by the Govt.<br />
Another Fallacy (that even liberals fall to): Maoists/Naxalites are pro-poor.<br />
A Free economy is esp. important for a multi-ethnic society like us.<br />
A socialist/intervenist setup in a multi-ethnic society (esp with an electoral democracy) soon degenreates into tribal warfare as each tribe/caste seeks to obtain economic goods via State power.<br />
A free economy distributes goods much more peacefully.<br />
Note: We all dont get to sit on plush seats. Eg I only get to sit on a plain cane chair all day.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest fallacy with the government lovers or 'selfish-entrepreneur' haters is the assumption that the government acts in the nation's best interest.  In fact the government is not even one entity but a conglomeration of inefficient money wasting centers, without a unified corporate goal.

I'm very curious why people think someone without sufficient incentive to benefit the poorer sections of society (i.e. government official) would endeavor to do something for those 'fallen behind' more than a private party.

IMHO the biggest false notion we have is that socialism helps the poor. Capitalism is probably the most efficient equalizer in society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest fallacy with the government lovers or &#8217;selfish-entrepreneur&#8217; haters is the assumption that the government acts in the nation&#8217;s best interest.  In fact the government is not even one entity but a conglomeration of inefficient money wasting centers, without a unified corporate goal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very curious why people think someone without sufficient incentive to benefit the poorer sections of society (i.e. government official) would endeavor to do something for those &#8216;fallen behind&#8217; more than a private party.</p>
<p>IMHO the biggest false notion we have is that socialism helps the poor. Capitalism is probably the most efficient equalizer in society.</p>
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		<title>By: Shreyas</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Shreyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no dispute or debate that socialism of any sort should be the way forward. I definitely do not echo the thoughts of the defensive and insecure planners of the 50s. I just believe a free-market regime in its very simplistic form that advocates a total absence of regulation is actually not going to be successful. If it was, why is there no nation or economy in the world that has zero unemployment rates or a totally effective healthcare system? 

Regulation seems to be a taboo world in the current media forms - be it the heavily liberatarian-leaning blogs, or the equally libertarian b-school graduates or the tabloids. I, once again, stress that regulation does not mean a government that interferes and regressively holds back attempts to progress. Also, regulations to check monopolies or the lack thereof are not the ones I am advocating. A government's job, ultimately, is to lend a voice to the ones who cannot be heard, unlike each one of us commenting here from our plush seats. And that is what the government should do. Whenever any entity is crossing the ethical line or the humanitarian line, that is where it should step in. Please do not say that corporations, by themselves, are morally and ethically aligned to provide the best for the society. For every Gates Foundation there is an Enron or a Worldcom. I would, in fact, use the term positive interference than regulation to define what I am saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no dispute or debate that socialism of any sort should be the way forward. I definitely do not echo the thoughts of the defensive and insecure planners of the 50s. I just believe a free-market regime in its very simplistic form that advocates a total absence of regulation is actually not going to be successful. If it was, why is there no nation or economy in the world that has zero unemployment rates or a totally effective healthcare system? </p>
<p>Regulation seems to be a taboo world in the current media forms - be it the heavily liberatarian-leaning blogs, or the equally libertarian b-school graduates or the tabloids. I, once again, stress that regulation does not mean a government that interferes and regressively holds back attempts to progress. Also, regulations to check monopolies or the lack thereof are not the ones I am advocating. A government&#8217;s job, ultimately, is to lend a voice to the ones who cannot be heard, unlike each one of us commenting here from our plush seats. And that is what the government should do. Whenever any entity is crossing the ethical line or the humanitarian line, that is where it should step in. Please do not say that corporations, by themselves, are morally and ethically aligned to provide the best for the society. For every Gates Foundation there is an Enron or a Worldcom. I would, in fact, use the term positive interference than regulation to define what I am saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Colman</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/09/05/why-should-location-matter/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Colman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't mean to do a hit and run comment at the beginning: the RSS feed for the comments just came back to life for me, and I couldn't remember which site it was in the meantime!

Anyway, the point about balance is that it's a dynamic thing: I can't say where to draw the line. I don't expect us to solve the problems of any economy for all time. There will always be new problems. We have to decide where to draw the line using our best judgement. That's what deliberative democracy is for. I'm afraid that there are no easy answers, no simple solutions.

Unfettered capitalism (as if it existed anywhere) is guaranteed to overwhelmingly favour those who start off rich and well-connected. That's just the way of it. There was a reason that Europe and the US introduced worker protections and redistributive measures: the free market was creating unacceptable conditions for the masses.  If you value fairness and democracy you must ensure that the market  serves the interests of society. It is a good servant but a very poor master. If, on the other hand, you are simply interested in justifying selfishness as a virtue, then you can believe in the myth of the invisible hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to do a hit and run comment at the beginning: the RSS feed for the comments just came back to life for me, and I couldn&#8217;t remember which site it was in the meantime!</p>
<p>Anyway, the point about balance is that it&#8217;s a dynamic thing: I can&#8217;t say where to draw the line. I don&#8217;t expect us to solve the problems of any economy for all time. There will always be new problems. We have to decide where to draw the line using our best judgement. That&#8217;s what deliberative democracy is for. I&#8217;m afraid that there are no easy answers, no simple solutions.</p>
<p>Unfettered capitalism (as if it existed anywhere) is guaranteed to overwhelmingly favour those who start off rich and well-connected. That&#8217;s just the way of it. There was a reason that Europe and the US introduced worker protections and redistributive measures: the free market was creating unacceptable conditions for the masses.  If you value fairness and democracy you must ensure that the market  serves the interests of society. It is a good servant but a very poor master. If, on the other hand, you are simply interested in justifying selfishness as a virtue, then you can believe in the myth of the invisible hand.</p>
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