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		<title>By: Harsh</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-64318</link>
		<dc:creator>Harsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is very late, but I will comment nonetheless. 

Why would a physics graduate not go into research, and instead opt for a BPO job? Pay. (glamor maybe a factor but lets count it as a tipping factor rather than a substantial one). 

Ravi, Amit and others. If BPO jobs foster &quot;underachievement&quot; (read: require less skills - innate or ingrained) then why are physics research positions underpaid? Surely BPO jobs are not overpaid - I mean cost arbitrage is still the major factor in outsourcing. The answer is, yes again, lack of free markets - in Indian education - but I digress. So the answer is not to curb free markets in the BPO space, but to increase free market penetration in other spheres competing for a common labor pool.

And yes, I do agree with Ravi that India as a nation is losing out for lack of scientific research - atleast until the point whereby we can import technology and use &quot;non-over-priced&quot; labor (who decides the base for cheap and expensive labor anyway). But for that we need to open the system, rather than close opportunities for individuals and thereby infringe on their liberty - apparently thats not a crime at all for the Left as well as the Right - CPI-M to Shiv Sainiks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is very late, but I will comment nonetheless. </p>
<p>Why would a physics graduate not go into research, and instead opt for a BPO job? Pay. (glamor maybe a factor but lets count it as a tipping factor rather than a substantial one). </p>
<p>Ravi, Amit and others. If BPO jobs foster &#8220;underachievement&#8221; (read: require less skills &#8211; innate or ingrained) then why are physics research positions underpaid? Surely BPO jobs are not overpaid &#8211; I mean cost arbitrage is still the major factor in outsourcing. The answer is, yes again, lack of free markets &#8211; in Indian education &#8211; but I digress. So the answer is not to curb free markets in the BPO space, but to increase free market penetration in other spheres competing for a common labor pool.</p>
<p>And yes, I do agree with Ravi that India as a nation is losing out for lack of scientific research &#8211; atleast until the point whereby we can import technology and use &#8220;non-over-priced&#8221; labor (who decides the base for cheap and expensive labor anyway). But for that we need to open the system, rather than close opportunities for individuals and thereby infringe on their liberty &#8211; apparently thats not a crime at all for the Left as well as the Right &#8211; CPI-M to Shiv Sainiks.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-2969</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education in the modern sense far outruns the ideal of mastery over a particular field or discipline that we used to hold. A Physics graduate working in a call centre gets well-required exposure and financial freedom to pursue choices that either would not be available to him because of financial constratins or would escape him simply because he is unaware of the ocean just next to his pond. 

True learning today means the capability to unlearn anything that has been rendered obsolete  and relearn things you never thought you would need. I mean, come on, there are already doubts on Einstein&#039;s theory of relativity being correct in its entirity. Isnt that proof enough that the time to go out and explore your choices and expand your horizons, especially for Indians, is RIGHT NOW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education in the modern sense far outruns the ideal of mastery over a particular field or discipline that we used to hold. A Physics graduate working in a call centre gets well-required exposure and financial freedom to pursue choices that either would not be available to him because of financial constratins or would escape him simply because he is unaware of the ocean just next to his pond. </p>
<p>True learning today means the capability to unlearn anything that has been rendered obsolete  and relearn things you never thought you would need. I mean, come on, there are already doubts on Einstein&#8217;s theory of relativity being correct in its entirity. Isnt that proof enough that the time to go out and explore your choices and expand your horizons, especially for Indians, is RIGHT NOW?</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late arrival: I just came across this post so excuse me if Im out of context.

As far as consumerism is concerned, its alive and thriving everywhere if you live in a staunchly capitalistic economy like the one here in New York and its vicinity. There is a culture of propaganda here that, consciously or unconsciously, drives every individual choice, often at the cost of health, sanity and peace of mind. I mean, if the influence of constant badgering from marketing was limited to certain areas, things would be ideal. But when your health choices, personal life and even morality is governed by what the media tells you, I think its time to sit up and reevaluate terms like consumerism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late arrival: I just came across this post so excuse me if Im out of context.</p>
<p>As far as consumerism is concerned, its alive and thriving everywhere if you live in a staunchly capitalistic economy like the one here in New York and its vicinity. There is a culture of propaganda here that, consciously or unconsciously, drives every individual choice, often at the cost of health, sanity and peace of mind. I mean, if the influence of constant badgering from marketing was limited to certain areas, things would be ideal. But when your health choices, personal life and even morality is governed by what the media tells you, I think its time to sit up and reevaluate terms like consumerism.</p>
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		<title>By: Corelations</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>Corelations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Call center workers and their working conditions&lt;/strong&gt;

Amit Verma writes about call centers in India and the working conditions there. He takes the contrarian view and says that call centers are not forcing a whole generation into slavery(as the common refrain goes). Nicely written. The comments are inte...</description>
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<p>Amit Verma writes about call centers in India and the working conditions there. He takes the contrarian view and says that call centers are not forcing a whole generation into slavery(as the common refrain goes). Nicely written. The comments are inte&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prashant,
Point taken about the first comment.
About your second comment, my conjecture is that the size of the labour pool(not the number of jobs available) will be smaller than what is required ( despite the number of jobs available to physics researchers being fairly limited in number )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prashant,<br />
Point taken about the first comment.<br />
About your second comment, my conjecture is that the size of the labour pool(not the number of jobs available) will be smaller than what is required ( despite the number of jobs available to physics researchers being fairly limited in number )</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant Kothari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prashant Kothari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A decade ago, a Physics graduate who might have done post graduation and ended up in research (for lack of any viable alternative) would today settle down in his BPO job.So, in a way it fosters a culture of underachievement.Note: I am not demeaning the kind of work done in BPOs but believe that research in science will be more beneficial, especially given the huge shortage of pure science researchers in India. &quot;

Ravi

1) How many research jobs are available to physics graduates, in the first place?  It&#039;s far more likely that the physics graduate is looking at unemployment/ clerical position in a bank versus a BPO...

2) Regardless, why blame the BPOs for a dearth of jobs for physics graduates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A decade ago, a Physics graduate who might have done post graduation and ended up in research (for lack of any viable alternative) would today settle down in his BPO job.So, in a way it fosters a culture of underachievement.Note: I am not demeaning the kind of work done in BPOs but believe that research in science will be more beneficial, especially given the huge shortage of pure science researchers in India. &#8221;</p>
<p>Ravi</p>
<p>1) How many research jobs are available to physics graduates, in the first place?  It&#8217;s far more likely that the physics graduate is looking at unemployment/ clerical position in a bank versus a BPO&#8230;</p>
<p>2) Regardless, why blame the BPOs for a dearth of jobs for physics graduates?</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2005/11/08/not-slavery-but-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with you about the fact that it has opened up a lot of oppurtunities for fresh graduates. But look at the downside-A decade ago, a Physics graduate who might have done post graduation and ended up in research (for lack of any viable alternative) would today settle down in his BPO job.So, in a way it fosters a culture of underachievement. 
Note: I am not demeaning the kind of work done in BPOs but believe that research in science will be more beneficial, especially given the huge shortage of pure science researchers in India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with you about the fact that it has opened up a lot of oppurtunities for fresh graduates. But look at the downside-A decade ago, a Physics graduate who might have done post graduation and ended up in research (for lack of any viable alternative) would today settle down in his BPO job.So, in a way it fosters a culture of underachievement.<br />
Note: I am not demeaning the kind of work done in BPOs but believe that research in science will be more beneficial, especially given the huge shortage of pure science researchers in India.</p>
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		<title>By: mridula</title>
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		<dc:creator>mridula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sumeet, you are right, I agree that their are humans driving the labor market. Now why we do not pose the question that fellow human being are letting work conditions be such that people are complled to leave in numbers. If they are fellow human beings, they can also be given names. And it is not irrelevant to me. 

It is a slightly different question that the &#039;labor market&#039; correcting it with the &#039;invisible hand of market?&#039; or what was the exact phrase that Adam Smith used and economists are so fond of using?

Amit, I like putting a few questions regarding capitalism, so that we do not become complecent, I enjoy captialsim because it usually comes with democracy and choices, but that doesn&#039;t mean everything is hunkydory with it. Anyway, I already said a lot and thanks for not chasing me out with a broom. I am not sure, but this is probably my first prolonged interaction here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sumeet, you are right, I agree that their are humans driving the labor market. Now why we do not pose the question that fellow human being are letting work conditions be such that people are complled to leave in numbers. If they are fellow human beings, they can also be given names. And it is not irrelevant to me. </p>
<p>It is a slightly different question that the &#8216;labor market&#8217; correcting it with the &#8216;invisible hand of market?&#8217; or what was the exact phrase that Adam Smith used and economists are so fond of using?</p>
<p>Amit, I like putting a few questions regarding capitalism, so that we do not become complecent, I enjoy captialsim because it usually comes with democracy and choices, but that doesn&#8217;t mean everything is hunkydory with it. Anyway, I already said a lot and thanks for not chasing me out with a broom. I am not sure, but this is probably my first prolonged interaction here.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Varma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Varma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mridula, a &quot;labour market phenomenon&quot; that comes about because of expanded choices and results in improved work conditions impacts &quot;human lives,&quot; not robots. Its irrelevant what terminology one uses. Is it good, or is it bad? You agree that having more choices is a good thing. Well then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mridula, a &#8220;labour market phenomenon&#8221; that comes about because of expanded choices and results in improved work conditions impacts &#8220;human lives,&#8221; not robots. Its irrelevant what terminology one uses. Is it good, or is it bad? You agree that having more choices is a good thing. Well then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sumeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>sumeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mridula, there is no single monster called the labour market phenomenon that externally &quot;messes  up human lives&quot;. Those humans excercising their choices to work and/or continue working at a place *is* the labour market phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mridula, there is no single monster called the labour market phenomenon that externally &#8220;messes  up human lives&#8221;. Those humans excercising their choices to work and/or continue working at a place *is* the labour market phenomenon.</p>
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