Comments on: More On the Job Reservation Policy Front http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/ Issues & insights Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:43:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Manisha http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-268641 Manisha Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:19:20 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-268641 Though Casteism is the bane of our society, it cannot go by reservations . Certain simple solutions to this is what our politicians are not ready to see are : 1. MAke basic education free for lower casts who are not just lower by cast but are economically backward also, create an infrastructure (rural and tribal areas ) for educating the poorest of the society. Use NGOs to penetrate . 2. Abolish the column in the entry level form , that talk of cast /religion. THis will not dilute the quality of educational institutes, hospitals , offices by offering jobs to incompetent people. The vested interest of the govts in offering quotas is that they use the reserved seats as a sourse to earn / please their known persons/ votes. So lets make a new begening by empowering everyone through emparting knowledge rether than just financial benefits. manisha Though Casteism is the bane of our society, it cannot go by reservations . Certain simple solutions to this is what our politicians are not ready to see are :
1. MAke basic education free for lower casts who are not just lower by cast but are economically backward also, create an infrastructure (rural and tribal areas ) for educating the poorest of the society. Use NGOs to penetrate .
2. Abolish the column in the entry level form , that talk of cast /religion.

THis will not dilute the quality of educational institutes, hospitals , offices by offering jobs to incompetent people. The vested interest of the govts in offering quotas is that they use the reserved seats as a sourse to earn / please their known persons/ votes.

So lets make a new begening by empowering everyone through emparting knowledge rether than just financial benefits.

manisha

]]> By: kuffir http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266728 kuffir Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:43:52 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266728 edward, the paper uses information from the 55th round of the nsso.. between the 55th round and 61st the population of the obcs rose by 8-10%..which means the population of hindu 'forward castes' went down by a similar percentage..i don't need to tell you that this changes the very foundation of all analyses in this paper. does it really deserve any serious attention? not more than a pamphlet by an iyer, a borooah and a dubey. edward,

the paper uses information from the 55th round of the nsso.. between the 55th round and 61st the population of the obcs rose by 8-10%..which means the population of hindu ‘forward castes’ went down by a similar percentage..i don’t need to tell you that this changes the very foundation of all analyses in this paper.

does it really deserve any serious attention? not more than a pamphlet by an iyer, a borooah and a dubey.

]]> By: Juhi Sharma http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266664 Juhi Sharma Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:06:41 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266664 Actually resevation was formed for 10 years at that time but now it is almost 60 years .the castes and communities havent increased in such a huge time that can not achieve it till 100 years too. because of this resevation policy the cream talent is going overeas because they dont want to work under a stupid boss. america is ruling the IT sector because of indian brains.Talented and general belonging student dont want to even apply for government sector jobs because they know their higher % cannot fight the high rate of reservation. thats the only why hat india is not progressing, the reservation was based on the thought that those respective communities have the same talent but they wernt getting opportunities.so now that condition doesnt exist now .those communities have their strong union then let them show their talent on their own strenght. Actually resevation was formed for 10 years at that time but now it is almost 60 years .the castes and communities havent increased in such a huge time that can not achieve it till 100 years too.
because of this resevation policy the cream talent is going overeas because they dont want to work under a stupid boss.
america is ruling the IT sector because of indian brains.Talented and general belonging student dont want to even apply for government sector jobs because they know their higher % cannot fight the high rate of reservation.
thats the only why hat india is not progressing,
the reservation was based on the thought that those respective communities have the same talent but they wernt getting opportunities.so now that condition doesnt exist now .those communities have their strong union then let them show their talent on their own strenght.

]]> By: Avnish Bhardwaz http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266525 Avnish Bhardwaz Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:13:13 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266525 I am an NRI, so I am not affected by any decision about reservation in India. I am, however, very surprised that this issue has been going on for years. We have so many intelligent people in this country, then why aren't we thinking Out Of The Box solutions. The issue of reservation is complex and it will not have a simple solution. Also, It is not going to go away so easily. I agree with the need for reservation for under privileged sections of the society. At the same time it is also true, that replacing deserving and talented candidates with one how need support will not benefit the society. It can in fact be very counter productive. Good examples for this is sports people, doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers, pilots etc. However we can certainly have public service ( up to certain entry level), lawyers, drivers, politicians and some other jobs that can be easily done by candidates from reserved quota. Choose some low risk professions and have 100% reservations in them instead of having 10,20,30% reservations in all professions, including some critical professions. Win Win situation for all... what do you say ? I am an NRI, so I am not affected by any decision about reservation in India. I am, however, very surprised that this issue has been going on for years. We have so many intelligent people in this country, then why aren’t we thinking Out Of The Box solutions. The issue of reservation is complex and it will not have a simple solution. Also, It is not going to go away so easily.
I agree with the need for reservation for under privileged sections of the society. At the same time it is also true, that replacing deserving and talented candidates with one how need support will not benefit the society. It can in fact be very counter productive. Good examples for this is sports people, doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers, pilots etc. However we can certainly have public service ( up to certain entry level), lawyers, drivers, politicians and some other jobs that can be easily done by candidates from reserved quota. Choose some low risk professions and have 100% reservations in them instead of having 10,20,30% reservations in all professions, including some critical professions. Win Win situation for all… what do you say ?

]]> By: Shashank Verma http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266499 Shashank Verma Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:00:05 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-266499 From my point of view as i see it is(reservation) most horrible thing which could happen to our econony. As we all know the growing indian economy has been on a boost since last 1 or 1 1/2 decades in which or private sect contributed the most; without ny doubt and it is very obvious that the entrepreneur who made this boom possible made their way without any reservation but from their own hard workmanship & knowledge. when our constituion was formalised the members knew that it ill cast adverse effect on every aspect irrespective to econy alone to as a nation in whole thats why they suggested reservation for a limited period of 15 yrs. i m nt saying 2 just tear off the reservation page but 2 specifically give this privillege 2 those who need it and as well as who is eligible 4 it. their are some downtrodden & underprivileged population who r nt getting enuogh chances and the easiest way 2 give them a chance 2 make their way in to main stream of indian society. thier should b some eligibility criteria some minimum qualification 4 attaining reservation. From my point of view as i see it is(reservation) most horrible thing which could happen to our econony. As we all know the growing indian economy has been on a boost since last 1 or 1 1/2 decades in which or private sect contributed the most; without ny doubt and it is very obvious that the entrepreneur who made this boom possible made their way without any reservation but from their own hard workmanship & knowledge.
when our constituion was formalised the members knew that it ill cast adverse effect on every aspect irrespective to econy alone to as a nation in whole thats why they suggested reservation for a limited period of 15 yrs.
i m nt saying 2 just tear off the reservation page but 2 specifically give this privillege 2 those who need it and as well as who is eligible 4 it. their are some downtrodden & underprivileged population who r nt getting enuogh chances and the easiest way 2 give them a chance 2 make their way in to main stream of indian society. thier should b some eligibility criteria some minimum qualification 4 attaining reservation.

]]> By: S.MOSAI http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-264952 S.MOSAI Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:07:01 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-264952 Our Indian reservation Policy based on caste system and also economically poor/weeker in the society.Also i say that Indian any one can follow any religion.Why if scheduled cast people fallowed christianity their not not get any reservation in the SC categorty.Sametime if backward cast people followed christianity they considered as same category. Our Indian reservation Policy based on caste system and also economically poor/weeker in the society.Also i say that Indian any one can follow any religion.Why if scheduled cast people fallowed christianity their not not get any reservation in the SC categorty.Sametime if backward cast people followed christianity they considered as same category.

]]> By: Vivek Ambastha IIM-A http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-263404 Vivek Ambastha IIM-A Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:52:08 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-263404 Hi, According to me,reservation and qouta both are the controversial topics of idean economy as wel as others, Hi,
According to me,reservation and qouta both are the controversial topics of idean economy as wel as others,

]]> By: Niyati Padhi http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-262554 Niyati Padhi Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:13:35 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-262554 Hi, There has been enough discussion on the right and wrongs of reservation policy but what about the impact studies? How many studies have come out with concrete results (both analytical and experimental)about who gets the benefit of reservation policy? A good number of socio-economic studies on this issue can actually bring out the real state of affair in the society and accordingly changes can be made in this direction. Niyati Padhi Hi,
There has been enough discussion on the right and wrongs of reservation policy but what about the impact studies? How many studies have come out with concrete results (both analytical and experimental)about who gets the benefit of reservation policy? A good number of socio-economic studies on this issue can actually bring out the real state of affair in the society and accordingly changes can be made in this direction.
Niyati Padhi

]]> By: shivom gupta http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-204256 shivom gupta Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:10:34 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-204256 Hello, I thought reservation formul is not fare for indians because reservation handicapped to indian peoples.after findout reservations they wouldn't to do lobor for your nescessties.whenever Reservation has been lodged in indian democracy absolutly fault is there.if those person who involved for givin reservation right for socialy,economicaly and politicaly background peoples.they have worng perception for dovelopment procedure for india. you know,they can not considering about whose person they are finding reservation and can not achieved any plus point in your life ,you have seen that todays situation. conditions are only politicals personals benifit for orientation of reservation. Hello,
I thought reservation formul is not fare for indians because reservation handicapped to indian peoples.after findout reservations they wouldn’t
to do lobor for your nescessties.whenever Reservation has been lodged in indian democracy absolutly
fault is there.if those person who involved for givin reservation right for socialy,economicaly and politicaly background peoples.they have worng perception for dovelopment procedure for india.
you know,they can not considering about whose person they are finding reservation and can not achieved any plus point in your life ,you have seen that todays situation. conditions are only politicals personals benifit for orientation of reservation.

]]> By: roy http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-93932 roy Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:47:50 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2005/12/19/more-on-the-job-reservation-policy-front/#comment-93932 Caste and Reservation This problem needs to be confronted rationally. Those lower in castes, today, are in that state, ie a state of lower intellectual ability, due to them being prevented from competing with the high caste. We are perpetuating this state, ie of still preventing any sort of competition, by reserving for them what they would have got by competing, without competition(remember, in Mahabharat, Karna joined the enemy force forgetting his family to express his gratitude for permitting him, one lower in caste, to take part in a competition). To put briefly, no caste is cent percent forward or backward. Forward caste can be considered as the one with more than 99 percent of population possessing above average abilities and backward as the one with more than 99 percent having below average abilities. Reservation, by affording greater competition, elevates those below average, among upper caste, to above average level, while, relegating even those few who does not happen to be below average to below average status by removing all competition. ............This is not a new finding. Reservation was adopted by congress as the method of uplifting those downtrodden leading to constitutional safeguards which we keep extending ad infinitum. This decision,even though not 'well thought about', was widely accepted among the then congress leaders, ie progressives like Nehru, as a via media compared to Mahatma's suggestions, especially that leading to each caste Hindu adopting one Harijan, reinforcing such adoption by having marital alliance between that Harijan and the caste Hindu. Hence this was accepted without much thought, especially about it's disadvantages. This needs serious consideration. Caste and Reservation

This problem needs to be confronted rationally. Those lower in castes, today, are in that state, ie a state of lower intellectual ability, due to them being prevented from competing with the high caste. We are perpetuating this state, ie of still preventing any sort of competition, by reserving for them what they would have got by competing, without competition(remember, in Mahabharat, Karna joined the enemy force forgetting his family to express his gratitude for permitting him, one lower in caste, to take part in a competition).
To put briefly, no caste is cent percent forward or backward. Forward caste can be considered as the one with more than 99 percent of population possessing above average abilities and backward as the one with more than 99 percent having below average abilities. Reservation, by affording greater competition, elevates those below average, among upper caste, to above average level, while, relegating even those few who does not happen to be below average to below average status by removing all competition.
…………This is not a new finding. Reservation was adopted by congress as the method of uplifting those downtrodden leading to constitutional safeguards which we keep extending ad infinitum. This decision,even though not ‘well thought about’, was widely accepted among the then congress leaders, ie progressives like Nehru, as a via media compared to Mahatma’s suggestions, especially that leading to each caste Hindu adopting one Harijan, reinforcing such adoption by having marital alliance between that Harijan and the caste Hindu. Hence this was accepted without much thought, especially about it’s disadvantages. This needs serious consideration.

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