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	<title>Comments on: Guy de Jonquières on India&#8217;s Apathetic Govt</title>
	<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/</link>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally Reuben, one of ther reasons I am a little bit disdainful about Easterly is that he addresses what seem to me to be yesterday's issues. What do I mean?

Well, lets look at what Russia and Iran are getting up to. There is no doubt that the authoritarain regimes in these countries are trying to leverage the pressure on energy prices which is produced by rapid growth in the developing world to play their own 'games'.

Now the big, big danger on my radar screen is that thinking in the OECD world moves rapidly geoplolitically in the direction of the idea that growth should go back to being more not less elusive.

I often see people from the US arguing these days that the global economy is growing too fast. Even Brad Setser's argument about the US deficit issue can, I fear, be used in this way (although this I am sure isn't Brad's intent).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally Reuben, one of ther reasons I am a little bit disdainful about Easterly is that he addresses what seem to me to be yesterday&#8217;s issues. What do I mean?</p>
<p>Well, lets look at what Russia and Iran are getting up to. There is no doubt that the authoritarain regimes in these countries are trying to leverage the pressure on energy prices which is produced by rapid growth in the developing world to play their own &#8216;games&#8217;.</p>
<p>Now the big, big danger on my radar screen is that thinking in the OECD world moves rapidly geoplolitically in the direction of the idea that growth should go back to being more not less elusive.</p>
<p>I often see people from the US arguing these days that the global economy is growing too fast. Even Brad Setser&#8217;s argument about the US deficit issue can, I fear, be used in this way (although this I am sure isn&#8217;t Brad&#8217;s intent).</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1772</guid>
		<description>"Edward, have you read Bill Easterly’s “The Elusive Quest for Growth”?"

Yes Reuben, I'm afraid I have, and unfortunately I wasn't very impressed. 

I think this is now well behind the curve. Growth isn't so elusive these days, except in the cases of what the UN HDI calls the demographic outliers. They aren't growing, and are indeed going backwards.

But one big chunk of humanity just took off, and Easterly doesn't seem to offer any coherent explanation of why this is happening. This would be the starting point, since if we can understand why some rockets are streaking ahead then there is more possibility of better targeting our proposals in the case of those countries whose rockets aren't doing so.

Basically I am deeply dissatisfied  with the two main approaches to this issue today. On the one hand Jeffrey Sachs (who IMHO has gone off the rails since he started this Millenium ) and 


Basically, I do agree with this implicit critique of Sachs from Easterly:

"I find the audacious claim that policy reform can cut world poverty in half a little daunting" 

http://www.nyu.edu/fas/institute/dri/Easterly/File/national%20politics%20and%20economic%20growth.pdf

And I do agree about proposals for reform needing to be more modest. But I don't think Easterly really understands the heart of the problem better than Sachs does. I am still working on my own ideas, and haven't got the story completely straight to my own satisfaction yet. Also I have been more focused on the growth issues of the developed economies, but I am aware that I need to better explicitly address the Sachs/Easterly debate, and I will get round to it (soon, I hope).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Edward, have you read Bill Easterly’s “The Elusive Quest for Growth”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Reuben, I&#8217;m afraid I have, and unfortunately I wasn&#8217;t very impressed. </p>
<p>I think this is now well behind the curve. Growth isn&#8217;t so elusive these days, except in the cases of what the UN HDI calls the demographic outliers. They aren&#8217;t growing, and are indeed going backwards.</p>
<p>But one big chunk of humanity just took off, and Easterly doesn&#8217;t seem to offer any coherent explanation of why this is happening. This would be the starting point, since if we can understand why some rockets are streaking ahead then there is more possibility of better targeting our proposals in the case of those countries whose rockets aren&#8217;t doing so.</p>
<p>Basically I am deeply dissatisfied  with the two main approaches to this issue today. On the one hand Jeffrey Sachs (who IMHO has gone off the rails since he started this Millenium ) and </p>
<p>Basically, I do agree with this implicit critique of Sachs from Easterly:</p>
<p>&#8220;I find the audacious claim that policy reform can cut world poverty in half a little daunting&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyu.edu/fas/institute/dri/Easterly/File/national%20politics%20and%20economic%20growth.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyu.edu/fas/institute/dri/Easterly/File/national%20politics%20and%20economic%20growth.pdf</a></p>
<p>And I do agree about proposals for reform needing to be more modest. But I don&#8217;t think Easterly really understands the heart of the problem better than Sachs does. I am still working on my own ideas, and haven&#8217;t got the story completely straight to my own satisfaction yet. Also I have been more focused on the growth issues of the developed economies, but I am aware that I need to better explicitly address the Sachs/Easterly debate, and I will get round to it (soon, I hope).</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Abraham</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1765</guid>
		<description>Edward, have you read Bill Easterly's "The Elusive Quest for Growth"? If not, I'd highly recommend it because he throws out a lot of numbers that question a lot of the assumptions we make about the economic growth process, including about education. You may or may not agree with Easterly, but he manages to be very provocative.

But yes, you're right about the *optimum* role of government in the growth process. Unless we figure that out (and this involves questioning a lot of the generally held assumptions in the light of the Asian growth story), fiery debates without much evidence are what we have to resign ourselves to :) Jeff Sachs makes a good start with economic geography?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward, have you read Bill Easterly&#8217;s &#8220;The Elusive Quest for Growth&#8221;? If not, I&#8217;d highly recommend it because he throws out a lot of numbers that question a lot of the assumptions we make about the economic growth process, including about education. You may or may not agree with Easterly, but he manages to be very provocative.</p>
<p>But yes, you&#8217;re right about the *optimum* role of government in the growth process. Unless we figure that out (and this involves questioning a lot of the generally held assumptions in the light of the Asian growth story), fiery debates without much evidence are what we have to resign ourselves to :) Jeff Sachs makes a good start with economic geography?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/01/21/guy-de-jonquieres-on-indias-apathetic-govt/#comment-1763</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"namely how long can economic growth continue at a fast clip while the reforms process stagnates."

Well this is what we are about to find out. Maybe a bit longer than de Jonquières and those with a more pessimistic inclination imagine. One of the points I would highlight is that if the important point is 'hands off' government, then at least not doing anything isn't doing nothing.

I still feel that conventional theorists are having a hard time coming to terms with the dynamism you can now see across developing economies from China to India to Turkey to Chile. I think maybe the first thing that need to do is to start believing their eyes, and then start digging a bit deeper.

"Education cries out for investment."

Of course this is the 100% important point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;namely how long can economic growth continue at a fast clip while the reforms process stagnates.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well this is what we are about to find out. Maybe a bit longer than de Jonquières and those with a more pessimistic inclination imagine. One of the points I would highlight is that if the important point is &#8216;hands off&#8217; government, then at least not doing anything isn&#8217;t doing nothing.</p>
<p>I still feel that conventional theorists are having a hard time coming to terms with the dynamism you can now see across developing economies from China to India to Turkey to Chile. I think maybe the first thing that need to do is to start believing their eyes, and then start digging a bit deeper.</p>
<p>&#8220;Education cries out for investment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course this is the 100% important point.</p>
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