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]]> By: Raj kashikar http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-4683 Raj kashikar Wed, 31 May 2006 23:21:03 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-4683 Why does everybody start blaming on Nehruvian policies. His policies were not wrong. How else will you control a nation as big as India of 330 million(1950 figures) without centralized control. We now have middle management/upper management. 50 years ago, all we had were the rich and the poor. Why does everybody start blaming on Nehruvian policies. His policies were not wrong. How else will you control a nation as big as India of 330 million(1950 figures) without centralized control.
We now have middle management/upper management. 50 years ago, all we had were the rich and the poor.

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-2106 Atanu Dey Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:16:46 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-2106 The USO, inported into India from the US, is an idiotic idea even prima facie. A few years ago I estimated the welfare losses associated with it. My PhD thesis was on the welfare effects of the USO on the Indian economy. Of course, wisdom will slowly dawn on the idiot policy makers of India in about 40 years or so. Until then, the Nehruvian socialistic policies would have improverished the nation even more. The USO, inported into India from the US, is an idiotic idea even prima facie. A few years ago I estimated the welfare losses associated with it. My PhD thesis was on the welfare effects of the USO on the Indian economy. Of course, wisdom will slowly dawn on the idiot policy makers of India in about 40 years or so. Until then, the Nehruvian socialistic policies would have improverished the nation even more.

]]> By: Chandrasekar K http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-2085 Chandrasekar K Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:27:19 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-2085 India is missing a great opportuity of skipping a wave of technology, an old one at that - landline, instead take the rural folks to mobile only. For a start, you need only one good transmitter every 100SqKm covering a few villages, as against running miles of cable & servicing them unviably, for a long time, given the low teledensity. A Network of Mobile transmitters every 100SqKm, connected by Optical fibre, will give enough future proofed capacity as also ability to install new connections at the instant of making request! BSNL-ADC-USO-GOVT is an ideal in-efficient mix, for delivery landline, from which it will be difficult to extricate villagers, even if technology takes 4 leaps ahead! Is it because the city folks (who decide policies) dont want the villagers get the better technology that the landline is being forcefully pushed?! That for a start will be better utilisation of ADC/USO, however unfairly it is burdened on urban telephone user!! India is missing a great opportuity of skipping a wave of technology, an old one at that - landline, instead take the rural folks to mobile only. For a start, you need only one good transmitter every 100SqKm covering a few villages, as against running miles of cable & servicing them unviably, for a long time, given the low teledensity. A Network of Mobile transmitters every 100SqKm, connected by Optical fibre, will give enough future proofed capacity as also ability to install new connections at the instant of making request! BSNL-ADC-USO-GOVT is an ideal in-efficient mix, for delivery landline, from which it will be difficult to extricate villagers, even if technology takes 4 leaps ahead! Is it because the city folks (who decide policies) dont want the villagers get the better technology that the landline is being forcefully pushed?! That for a start will be better utilisation of ADC/USO, however unfairly it is burdened on urban telephone user!!

]]> By: Anshul http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1996 Anshul Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:51:46 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1996 Is there any account that how much BSNL spends on rural telphone infrastructure? Or of all the ADC how much they have apent and where? Is there any account that how much BSNL spends on rural telphone infrastructure? Or of all the ADC how much they have apent and where?

]]> By: Rishi http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1983 Rishi Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:31:33 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1983 I would like to add a very interesting titbit here. For the last year the ADC paid to BSNL was Rs 5000 crore. Incidently, if you see the financial results of BSNl their profits for the last year was also Rs 5000 crore. That means that they are non profitable, if it were not for the ADC I would like to add a very interesting titbit here. For the last year the ADC paid to BSNL was Rs 5000 crore.

Incidently, if you see the financial results of BSNl their profits for the last year was also Rs 5000 crore.

That means that they are non profitable, if it were not for the ADC

]]> By: Chandra http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1981 Chandra Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:38:58 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1981 Gaurav, I guess my quibble was with regards to your take on taxes (or charging fees) and waiting for free markets to work for basic services. Your point about BSNL is a good one. But I would go beyond that. Without getting worked up about BSNL, I think GOI can use the fees to provide incentives for rural only telephone companies and open the entire non-urban areas for unrestricted number of licenses (this may help keep the prices down for rural consumers). Not all companies want to be mega ones. I would think there will be lot of entrepreneurs, throughout the country, who would jump at the opportunity, especially, if the government can lower their borrowing costs (using the fees) to enable decent returns as long as they are purely rural telephone (or communications) companies. Then, may be BSNL itself may join in rural telephony by splitting itself! Gaurav, I guess my quibble was with regards to your take on taxes (or charging fees) and waiting for free markets to work for basic services. Your point about BSNL is a good one. But I would go beyond that.

Without getting worked up about BSNL, I think GOI can use the fees to provide incentives for rural only telephone companies and open the entire non-urban areas for unrestricted number of licenses (this may help keep the prices down for rural consumers). Not all companies want to be mega ones. I would think there will be lot of entrepreneurs, throughout the country, who would jump at the opportunity, especially, if the government can lower their borrowing costs (using the fees) to enable decent returns as long as they are purely rural telephone (or communications) companies. Then, may be BSNL itself may join in rural telephony by splitting itself!

]]> By: Shivam Vij http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1980 Shivam Vij Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:53:21 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1980 <i> Comment edited due to lack of relevance to topic at hand. The query about whether IEB plans to set up an NGO or not has been answered politely and comprehensively. Since it is admittedly off-topic, it is requested that further discussions be carried out elsewhere, preferably over emails.</i> Comment edited due to lack of relevance to topic at hand. The query about whether IEB plans to set up an NGO or not has been answered politely and comprehensively. Since it is admittedly off-topic, it is requested that further discussions be carried out elsewhere, preferably over emails.

]]> By: Prashant Kothari http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1971 Prashant Kothari Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:22:11 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1971 Vulturo = thanks for the clarification Going back to Shivam's original question about IEB "setting up a voluntary organization" IEB is a) voluntary and b) an organization of sorts, albeit virtual Arun Maira had a couple of op-eds in the ET a month ago (not online unfortunately) about the need for WMD in India (WMD = Ways of Mass Dialogue) and about the need to improve the "software of democracy" in India ie, fora for dialog and discussion... Given the low Internet penetration rates, blogs aren't going to have aything but a niche audience in India (for the near future). So, there's no way IEB (or any other blog) can match the other channels of communication (TV or print). Perish that thought. But hey -- it's an effort at dialogue and discussion, howsoever small. At least, that's what we at IEB would like to think. What say you? Vulturo = thanks for the clarification

Going back to Shivam’s original question about IEB “setting up a voluntary organization”

IEB is

a) voluntary and
b) an organization of sorts, albeit virtual

Arun Maira had a couple of op-eds in the ET a month ago (not online unfortunately) about the need for WMD in India (WMD = Ways of Mass Dialogue) and about the need to improve the “software of democracy” in India ie, fora for dialog and discussion…

Given the low Internet penetration rates, blogs aren’t going to have aything but a niche audience in India (for the near future). So, there’s no way IEB (or any other blog) can match the other channels of communication (TV or print). Perish that thought.

But hey — it’s an effort at dialogue and discussion, howsoever small. At least, that’s what we at IEB would like to think.

What say you?

]]> By: Gaurav Sabnis http://indianeconomy.org/2006/02/01/the-sham-called-adc/#comment-1969 Gaurav Sabnis Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:53:14 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/?p=242#comment-1969 Chandra, I note your disagreement. However, I make another point on which I would like to hear your opinion. That assuming the government should indeed be responsible for providing rural telephony, regardless of the market viability, does it make sense to have a company like BSNL do it? A company which also runs urban networkks? Chandra, I note your disagreement. However, I make another point on which I would like to hear your opinion. That assuming the government should indeed be responsible for providing rural telephony, regardless of the market viability, does it make sense to have a company like BSNL do it? A company which also runs urban networkks?

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