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		<title>By: Salil</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/04/30/goodbye-john-kenneth-galbraith/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Salil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 22:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intrigued by the praise Galbraith is receiving as an economist. As a social thinker, as an economic historian, as a critic of the affluent society, yes, Galbraith has made his mark. But as an economist? His critique of advertising, that it made people buy things they did not need, sounds suspiciously like an early forerunner of the kind of thinking now associated with Naomi Klein (of No Logo fame). Likewise, his description of countervailing power (in the form of unions): has it not been overtaken by events? Is it not the case that unions themselves are monopolies, or like craft guilds, erecting a barrier to entry to those who'd like to be part of the profession, but aren't allowed to? That, I think, takes us to the central aspect of Galbraith's life and work. As someone who grew up in the depression era, and one struck by Keynes, Galbraith instinctively, and intuitively, believed that the state could be the great equalizer, and redistribute wealth. Some of his interventions were right, and price controls during WW II made sense. But did they make sense after the war? Similarly, Galbraith was right on the Great Society, and in calling for better wages for Vietnam era soldiers. But those, again, burnish his reputation as a concerned social thinker, an economic interpreter. He'd have been unhappy by India's economic reforms and liberalization; a diminishing role of the state was not something he'd have been comfortable with. But I agree he was a highly skilful, engaging and entertaining writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued by the praise Galbraith is receiving as an economist. As a social thinker, as an economic historian, as a critic of the affluent society, yes, Galbraith has made his mark. But as an economist? His critique of advertising, that it made people buy things they did not need, sounds suspiciously like an early forerunner of the kind of thinking now associated with Naomi Klein (of No Logo fame). Likewise, his description of countervailing power (in the form of unions): has it not been overtaken by events? Is it not the case that unions themselves are monopolies, or like craft guilds, erecting a barrier to entry to those who&#8217;d like to be part of the profession, but aren&#8217;t allowed to? That, I think, takes us to the central aspect of Galbraith&#8217;s life and work. As someone who grew up in the depression era, and one struck by Keynes, Galbraith instinctively, and intuitively, believed that the state could be the great equalizer, and redistribute wealth. Some of his interventions were right, and price controls during WW II made sense. But did they make sense after the war? Similarly, Galbraith was right on the Great Society, and in calling for better wages for Vietnam era soldiers. But those, again, burnish his reputation as a concerned social thinker, an economic interpreter. He&#8217;d have been unhappy by India&#8217;s economic reforms and liberalization; a diminishing role of the state was not something he&#8217;d have been comfortable with. But I agree he was a highly skilful, engaging and entertaining writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarat</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/04/30/goodbye-john-kenneth-galbraith/#comment-2973</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only real economist I have ever met in my life is somebody called Hicks from England. Was he any good, guys? 

Anyhow, sometime during the Sixties, Hicks came to my little town in India where I grew up, and delivered a lecture that went pretty much over my head. I was only 14 or 15 at the time. Interestingly for you free market thinkers - of which I, too, am a living, walking creation (founder/CEO of two companies in the USA of all places) - Hicks made the following opening remark.

"On my way from the airport to my hotel, I saw a lot of billboards urging people to save. I did not see  many billboards telling people to spend." The other billboards he probably saw but never brought up must have been, "Do ya teen bachey, bus." 

I didn't understand Hicks's emphasis on spending. My father, an uber-intellectual, violently disagreed with consumer spending as a fuel for economic growth, and my uncle, a London School of Economics product, kind of understood Mr. Hicks's point but still disagreed. It was the Sixties. I was groovin' to the Beatles. My dad was listening to K. L. Saigal. And we all lived in an India that was headed towards disaster.

P.S. Chandra, I did not mean that the economic thinkers were literally listening to the common masses. Obviously, the masses do not develop policy or even theories. The opinion leaders do. BUT, the opinion leaders do reflect their times, and most "new" ideas in any society are not developed in a vacuum, with no influence of current trends, populist opinions, even global trends. During that era, there was a widespread global acceptance of planned economies. There was even an acceptance of more than planned economies - the entire Communist block. Ahhh, forget it...I am just repeating myself. I do respect your point of view, Chandra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only real economist I have ever met in my life is somebody called Hicks from England. Was he any good, guys? </p>
<p>Anyhow, sometime during the Sixties, Hicks came to my little town in India where I grew up, and delivered a lecture that went pretty much over my head. I was only 14 or 15 at the time. Interestingly for you free market thinkers - of which I, too, am a living, walking creation (founder/CEO of two companies in the USA of all places) - Hicks made the following opening remark.</p>
<p>&#8220;On my way from the airport to my hotel, I saw a lot of billboards urging people to save. I did not see  many billboards telling people to spend.&#8221; The other billboards he probably saw but never brought up must have been, &#8220;Do ya teen bachey, bus.&#8221; </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t understand Hicks&#8217;s emphasis on spending. My father, an uber-intellectual, violently disagreed with consumer spending as a fuel for economic growth, and my uncle, a London School of Economics product, kind of understood Mr. Hicks&#8217;s point but still disagreed. It was the Sixties. I was groovin&#8217; to the Beatles. My dad was listening to K. L. Saigal. And we all lived in an India that was headed towards disaster.</p>
<p>P.S. Chandra, I did not mean that the economic thinkers were literally listening to the common masses. Obviously, the masses do not develop policy or even theories. The opinion leaders do. BUT, the opinion leaders do reflect their times, and most &#8220;new&#8221; ideas in any society are not developed in a vacuum, with no influence of current trends, populist opinions, even global trends. During that era, there was a widespread global acceptance of planned economies. There was even an acceptance of more than planned economies - the entire Communist block. Ahhh, forget it&#8230;I am just repeating myself. I do respect your point of view, Chandra.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandra</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/04/30/goodbye-john-kenneth-galbraith/#comment-2970</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,  I don't want to "blame" Galbraith for Indian economic ills. But when every thing I read (except may be George Will of WP) is so effusive (including this post) about him, I want to put things into perspective (Vietnam war issue is unrelated). May be I am being un-bharatiya speaking ill of the newly dead. In any case, I think he had disproportionate influence of Indian economic matters at the time. I read somewhere that US offered Milton Friedman or John Galbraith as economic advisor to India during the time and John Galbraith won out - may be it was because Friedman was 5 feet tall and was technical economist and Galbraith was almost 7 feet tall with a talent for good writing. I think, again, may be in hindsight, Indian economy could have been on a different trajectory if Friedman was the advisor. 

Here is an interest memo Friedman wrote to GOI in 1955 which I saw a few years ago. I dug it up recently:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010213221054/http://indiapolicy.org/debate/Notes/friedman.htm

Sarat, I couldn't disagree more with you. I don't think there was anything inevitable about economic choice. I doubt the economic elite in the country considered what the people in chai stalls were thinking at the time (or, for that matter, now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,  I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;blame&#8221; Galbraith for Indian economic ills. But when every thing I read (except may be George Will of WP) is so effusive (including this post) about him, I want to put things into perspective (Vietnam war issue is unrelated). May be I am being un-bharatiya speaking ill of the newly dead. In any case, I think he had disproportionate influence of Indian economic matters at the time. I read somewhere that US offered Milton Friedman or John Galbraith as economic advisor to India during the time and John Galbraith won out - may be it was because Friedman was 5 feet tall and was technical economist and Galbraith was almost 7 feet tall with a talent for good writing. I think, again, may be in hindsight, Indian economy could have been on a different trajectory if Friedman was the advisor. </p>
<p>Here is an interest memo Friedman wrote to GOI in 1955 which I saw a few years ago. I dug it up recently:</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20010213221054/http://indiapolicy.org/debate/Notes/friedman.htm" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20010213221054/http://indiapolicy.org/debate/Notes/friedman.htm</a></p>
<p>Sarat, I couldn&#8217;t disagree more with you. I don&#8217;t think there was anything inevitable about economic choice. I doubt the economic elite in the country considered what the people in chai stalls were thinking at the time (or, for that matter, now).</p>
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		<title>By: Sarat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 10:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although barely schooled in economics and therefore unable to evaluate Galbraith's legacy to India, I do believe that even the most independent thinkers are not quite independent of their times and current trends. 

Remember the Sixties and Seventies? Almost every conscionable person was a socialist back then. The halls of learning, as well as the chai stalls of India, were rife with discussions about the need for a responsible government to manage the run-amok economic engine of India for the betterment of all. A truly free economy was considered an American anomaly - fine for those Yanks but a potential disaster for most of the world.

As we criticize Galbraith for his influence on India's past economic policies, let's also remember that he was ultimately a product of his times. It would be similar to criticizing your parents for not being as enlightened a parent as you probably are. They didn't know a lot of the new age parenting techniques that we now know. 

Chalk it up to "that's the way things were back then."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although barely schooled in economics and therefore unable to evaluate Galbraith&#8217;s legacy to India, I do believe that even the most independent thinkers are not quite independent of their times and current trends. </p>
<p>Remember the Sixties and Seventies? Almost every conscionable person was a socialist back then. The halls of learning, as well as the chai stalls of India, were rife with discussions about the need for a responsible government to manage the run-amok economic engine of India for the betterment of all. A truly free economy was considered an American anomaly - fine for those Yanks but a potential disaster for most of the world.</p>
<p>As we criticize Galbraith for his influence on India&#8217;s past economic policies, let&#8217;s also remember that he was ultimately a product of his times. It would be similar to criticizing your parents for not being as enlightened a parent as you probably are. They didn&#8217;t know a lot of the new age parenting techniques that we now know. </p>
<p>Chalk it up to &#8220;that&#8217;s the way things were back then.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant Kothari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prashant Kothari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 06:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm no expert on JKG, whether it be his economics or his views on/ relationship with India.  

However, two economists I hold in high regard, Milton Friedman and Paul Krugman (in his original avatar as an economist, not the political pundit) don't think much of JKG.  Interestingly enough, Friedman and Krugman have different sensibilities but both diss JKG.

http://www.pkarchive.org/cranks/GalbraithGoodSociety.html

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm


http://books.google.com/books?id=GcmvijkDrEcC&#38;dq=paul+krugman+john+kenneth+galbraith&#38;oi=print&#38;pg=PA13&#38;ots=S5Zwhae9Ka&#38;sig=mtAjIAfpV2BAZAsfBkYIB0ikmUk&#38;prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dpaul%2Bkrugman%2Bjohn%2Bkenneth%2Bgalbraith&#38;sa=X&#38;oi=print&#38;ct=result&#38;cd=2

Here's Hit &#038; Run's post on JKG...

http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/04/john_kenneth_ga.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert on JKG, whether it be his economics or his views on/ relationship with India.  </p>
<p>However, two economists I hold in high regard, Milton Friedman and Paul Krugman (in his original avatar as an economist, not the political pundit) don&#8217;t think much of JKG.  Interestingly enough, Friedman and Krugman have different sensibilities but both diss JKG.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pkarchive.org/cranks/GalbraithGoodSociety.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pkarchive.org/cranks/GalbraithGoodSociety.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=GcmvijkDrEcC&amp;dq=paul+krugman+john+kenneth+galbraith&amp;oi=print&amp;pg=PA13&amp;ots=S5Zwhae9Ka&amp;sig=mtAjIAfpV2BAZAsfBkYIB0ikmUk&amp;prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dpaul%2Bkrugman%2Bjohn%2Bkenneth%2Bgalbraith&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=print&amp;ct=result&amp;cd=2" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=GcmvijkDrEcC&amp;dq=paul+krugman+john+kenneth+galbraith&amp;oi=print&amp;pg=PA13&amp;ots=S5Zwhae9Ka&amp;sig=mtAjIAfpV2BAZAsfBkYIB0ikmUk&amp;prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dpaul%2Bkrugman%2Bjohn%2Bkenneth%2Bgalbraith&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=print&amp;ct=result&amp;cd=2</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Hit &#038; Run&#8217;s post on JKG&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/04/john_kenneth_ga.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/04/john_kenneth_ga.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arjun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 01:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wobbly Guy-- 

"No economist reads him now". All I can say is- 1)Untrue and 2)Those  economists who dont read him ignore him to their detriment. He has much more critical things to say than the latest fad in econometrica and so on.

Atanu--It would be good to try and consider the counterfactuals when you speak of 'disastrous Nehruvian socialism'. What would have been a reasonable and promising prescription in 1950 for economic growth, say? You were trained in Berkeley-- what might David Card say for example to put some quantitative heft to that statement?</description>
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<p>&#8220;No economist reads him now&#8221;. All I can say is- 1)Untrue and 2)Those  economists who dont read him ignore him to their detriment. He has much more critical things to say than the latest fad in econometrica and so on.</p>
<p>Atanu&#8211;It would be good to try and consider the counterfactuals when you speak of &#8216;disastrous Nehruvian socialism&#8217;. What would have been a reasonable and promising prescription in 1950 for economic growth, say? You were trained in Berkeley&#8211; what might David Card say for example to put some quantitative heft to that statement?</p>
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		<title>By: Shrini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shrini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wobbly Guy

Galbraith was right about the Russian system's success 'partly' due to optimal usage of manpower. Contrary to the fashionable belief, the Soviet system isn't a failed one. It did have its negatives like the American system, but it surely wasn't an out and out failure. 

The Indian system is succeeding due to manpower (quality is a different issue). 

The bottomline is Man, Material, Capital, and Organization and an Affluent Society does use all the four in good measure and combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wobbly Guy</p>
<p>Galbraith was right about the Russian system&#8217;s success &#8216;partly&#8217; due to optimal usage of manpower. Contrary to the fashionable belief, the Soviet system isn&#8217;t a failed one. It did have its negatives like the American system, but it surely wasn&#8217;t an out and out failure. </p>
<p>The Indian system is succeeding due to manpower (quality is a different issue). </p>
<p>The bottomline is Man, Material, Capital, and Organization and an Affluent Society does use all the four in good measure and combination.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wobbly Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wobbly Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 15:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKG was an economic fool. He got more things wrong than right. Indeed, there were few problems he thought could not be solved by increasing government expenditure and funding.

He was skewered rather terribly in BBC. When asked by the BBC presenter if Galbraith would still be read in ten years' time, Desai gave this money quote, "Nobody reads him now. No economist reads Galbraith now."
http://www.samizdata.net/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&#38;entry_id=8890

And one of JKG's most idiotic statements:
"Partly, the Russian system succeeds because, in contrast to the Western industrial economies, it makes full use of its manpower."

Good riddance to an idiot.

TWG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKG was an economic fool. He got more things wrong than right. Indeed, there were few problems he thought could not be solved by increasing government expenditure and funding.</p>
<p>He was skewered rather terribly in BBC. When asked by the BBC presenter if Galbraith would still be read in ten years&#8217; time, Desai gave this money quote, &#8220;Nobody reads him now. No economist reads Galbraith now.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.samizdata.net/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&amp;entry_id=8890" rel="nofollow">http://www.samizdata.net/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&amp;entry_id=8890</a></p>
<p>And one of JKG&#8217;s most idiotic statements:<br />
&#8220;Partly, the Russian system succeeds because, in contrast to the Western industrial economies, it makes full use of its manpower.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good riddance to an idiot.</p>
<p>TWG</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 08:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandra, I am sure the subject of how much blame to assign to JK Galbraith for India's disasterous Nehruvian socialism is worthy of debate. Not entirely facetiously I note that India's economic growth rate is not called the "Galbraithian" growth rate; nor are most major institutions named after JKG but rather after Nehru or Indira and her children and grandchildren (and soon will be named after her daughter-in-law.) 

For the moment, I would like to quote from a Salon article called &lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/05/01/galbraith_appreciation/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Galbraith I Knew&lt;/a&gt; by Richard Parker in which he writes: &lt;blockquote&gt;Galbraith began warning President Kennedy of the dangers Vietnam posed in the summer of 1961, before the first U.S. troops were dispatched there. Kennedy heard him, and amazingly agreed with him, but was in a sense boxed in by the near unanimity of his top advisors that Vietnam was a place where America must "take a stand." Through recently declassified State and Defense Department documents, I was able to learn just how in tune JFK was with Galbraith's warning. The two men understood that this was no mere "foreign misadventure," but could become a quagmire that would not only blow back to the United States but destabilize its economy, delegitimize the Democratic Party and ultimately destroy the confidence of the American people in government itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandra, I am sure the subject of how much blame to assign to JK Galbraith for India&#8217;s disasterous Nehruvian socialism is worthy of debate. Not entirely facetiously I note that India&#8217;s economic growth rate is not called the &#8220;Galbraithian&#8221; growth rate; nor are most major institutions named after JKG but rather after Nehru or Indira and her children and grandchildren (and soon will be named after her daughter-in-law.) </p>
<p>For the moment, I would like to quote from a Salon article called <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/05/01/galbraith_appreciation/" rel="nofollow">The Galbraith I Knew</a> by Richard Parker in which he writes:<br />
<blockquote>Galbraith began warning President Kennedy of the dangers Vietnam posed in the summer of 1961, before the first U.S. troops were dispatched there. Kennedy heard him, and amazingly agreed with him, but was in a sense boxed in by the near unanimity of his top advisors that Vietnam was a place where America must &#8220;take a stand.&#8221; Through recently declassified State and Defense Department documents, I was able to learn just how in tune JFK was with Galbraith&#8217;s warning. The two men understood that this was no mere &#8220;foreign misadventure,&#8221; but could become a quagmire that would not only blow back to the United States but destabilize its economy, delegitimize the Democratic Party and ultimately destroy the confidence of the American people in government itself.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ?????? - Gilli &#187; Goodbye, John Kenneth Galbraith - Atanu Dey</title>
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		<dc:creator>?????? - Gilli &#187; Goodbye, John Kenneth Galbraith - Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
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