Comments on: Parliamentary Profligacy http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/ Issues & insights Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:08:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Hitanshu http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-30282 Hitanshu Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:43:08 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-30282 Blah. I just happened to pop by, and found these numbers completely bunkum. They look like a good number, but think again. It works out to just 13,091/- PER MP per working day! That is nothing. An average techie who gets 15000 pm - the companywould be spending another 15000 pm. So its basically 1500 bucks an average company on an average techie per working day (20 working days in a month). Cmon, you think India is *over spending* if Lok Sabha spends 13k per day per MP (incl all the overheads and costs)? I think we've one of the cheapest decision making systems in the world :P Blah.

I just happened to pop by, and found these numbers completely bunkum. They look like a good number, but think again.

It works out to just 13,091/- PER MP per working day! That is nothing. An average techie who gets 15000 pm - the companywould be spending another 15000 pm. So its basically 1500 bucks an average company on an average techie per working day (20 working days in a month).

Cmon, you think India is *over spending* if Lok Sabha spends 13k per day per MP (incl all the overheads and costs)? I think we’ve one of the cheapest decision making systems in the world :P

]]> By: Timo http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-9172 Timo Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:10:09 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-9172 Weelcome to the down-sides of democracy as per the western countries. In Europe we move the European parliment between two cities, to keep everyone happy. This costs enormous amounts of money, while people are unemployed in increasing larger numbers. Many Greetings from Sweden. Weelcome to the down-sides of democracy as per the western countries.

In Europe we move the European parliment between two cities, to keep everyone happy.
This costs enormous amounts of money, while people are unemployed in increasing larger numbers.

Many Greetings from Sweden.

]]> By: Chandra http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8800 Chandra Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:50:08 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8800 Isn't it a good thing if our lawmakers are not making more laws - ie adding more bureaucracy! I’d say let them waste more time :) Rajya Sabha is a rich-man unelectable club. It's time to change it so these members stand up for election too instead of paying off political parties to get nominated. Isn’t it a good thing if our lawmakers are not making more laws - ie adding more bureaucracy! I’d say let them waste more time :)

Rajya Sabha is a rich-man unelectable club. It’s time to change it so these members stand up for election too instead of paying off political parties to get nominated.

]]> By: Polite Indian http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8698 Polite Indian Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:12:43 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8698 "...People have so rigid stance on everything that sensible discussion looks as tough as talks between India-Pakistan peace talks." This is so true. Not only the stance are rigid, the opposite views are ridiculed and the opposition hated. I think right now this is a worldwide phenomenon. Looks like the whole world is following Bush's policy i.e. "You are either with us or against us". BTW, does anybody have any idea how the 72 Lakhs per day are spent? Any break down of the expenditure will give more insight into what is happening. “…People have so rigid stance on everything that sensible discussion looks as tough as talks between India-Pakistan peace talks.”

This is so true. Not only the stance are rigid, the opposite views are ridiculed and the opposition hated. I think right now this is a worldwide phenomenon. Looks like the whole world is following Bush’s policy i.e. “You are either with us or against us”.

BTW, does anybody have any idea how the 72 Lakhs per day are spent? Any break down of the expenditure will give more insight into what is happening.

]]> By: Chander Dogra http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8659 Chander Dogra Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:10:57 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8659 Money is always the lesser of the evil. The question is if we draw an analogy between running a Company and running a goverment,the what happens in parliament is similar to what happens in a Board Meeting. I believe that with passage of time, the guidelines of how one needs to conduct themselves in the parliament hasn't changed. I would love to believe, that there is a way of regestering a protest by the opposition, the goveremnt listen to it etc. What appears now days is that things are really mismanaged. What opposition wants to discuss the goveremnt tries to downplay, agitating the opposition. Also sensabilities have taken a back seat, and instead frenzy is the dominant emotion. People have so rigid stance on everything that sensible discussion looks as tough as talks between India-Pakistan peace talks. Hope sense prevails. Money is always the lesser of the evil.
The question is if we draw an analogy between running a Company and running a goverment,the what happens in parliament is similar to what happens in a Board Meeting.
I believe that with passage of time, the guidelines of how one needs to conduct themselves in the parliament hasn’t changed. I would love to believe, that there is a way of regestering a protest by the opposition, the goveremnt listen to it etc.
What appears now days is that things are really mismanaged. What opposition wants to discuss the goveremnt tries to downplay, agitating the opposition. Also sensabilities have taken a back seat, and instead frenzy is the dominant emotion. People have so rigid stance on everything that sensible discussion looks as tough as talks between India-Pakistan peace talks.
Hope sense prevails.

]]> By: Sanjay http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8640 Sanjay Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:10:20 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8640 Here, read this one: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=914518#PaperDownload Here, read this one:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=914518#PaperDownload

]]> By: Sandeep http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8584 Sandeep Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:17:54 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8584 I would perhaps adjust for inflation to make the numbers accurate but the point you make about profligacy is quite accurate all the same. I guess the government needs to incentivize MPs to attend proceedings and curb crazy demonstrations. I would perhaps adjust for inflation to make the numbers accurate but the point you make about profligacy is quite accurate all the same. I guess the government needs to incentivize MPs to attend proceedings and curb crazy demonstrations.

]]> By: Ila http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8575 Ila Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:01:31 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8575 I'm not surprised actually . And just as the media helped fight a public battle for the RTI, we need a similar effort to ensure "no work, no pay". If Dr. Ramadoss can hold back the salaries of striking docs, we the people should have the right to hold back the salaries of striking pols. And MPs like Lata Mangeshkar (among scores of others) who remain absent (for all but 2 days !) of their tenure, really dont deserve that 500 bucks per diem allowance. Dont they even feel guilty taking it ??? I’m not surprised actually . And just as the media helped fight a public battle for the RTI, we need a similar effort to ensure “no work, no pay”.
If Dr. Ramadoss can hold back the salaries of striking docs, we the people should have the right to hold back the salaries of striking pols.
And MPs like Lata Mangeshkar (among scores of others) who remain absent (for all but 2 days !) of their tenure, really dont deserve that 500 bucks per diem allowance. Dont they even feel guilty taking it ???

]]> By: Alex http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8530 Alex Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:05:04 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8530 What a profligate expenditure! It is a cause of concern to know that majority of the tax recipts of the government are getting wasted away. And it is even more preposterous that more than half the time gets wasted. What is the Indian parliament coming to? The very essence of having a session is to indulge and discussions and debate and come out with an act or proposal which increases the welfare of the country. Though many committees have been set up and reports submitted, not many favourable changes have taken place. What a profligate expenditure!
It is a cause of concern to know that majority of the tax recipts of the government are getting wasted away.
And it is even more preposterous that more than half the time gets wasted.
What is the Indian parliament coming to? The very essence of having a session is to indulge and discussions and debate and come out with an act or proposal which increases the welfare of the country.
Though many committees have been set up and reports submitted, not many favourable changes have taken place.

]]> By: GeneralPublic http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8502 GeneralPublic Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:25:49 +0000 http://indianeconomy.org/2006/08/22/parliamentary-profligacy/#comment-8502 1. Political parties in India has very low membership. Major political parties does not have any membership mobilization programs. Does anyone know "all India" membership numbers of major political parties in India? 2. Political parties does not have any internal democracy, office bearers are "nominated"!. This means there is no practical democracy in India. 3. Political parties does not have fund collection programs to collect funds from ordinary citizens. Political parties does not have any audit or obligation to reveal where the funds comes from. It is open secret that funding comes from big business. 4. Administration is essentially run by bureaucrats, today it has come to the stage, both prime minister and president are ex bureaucrats! 5. Like everywhere else in the world in India also, government is for the big business by the big business. 6. Parliament is reflection of the current reality of democracy or non-democracy! 7. Yadha raja thadha praja ..... The situation is not different in other countries also, so expect global pro democracy movements...... This is a natural process, when regimes get corrupted they get replaced eventually, history repeats itself..... 1. Political parties in India has very low membership. Major political parties does not have any membership mobilization programs. Does anyone know “all India” membership numbers of major political parties in India?

2. Political parties does not have any internal democracy, office bearers are “nominated”!. This means there is no practical democracy in India.

3. Political parties does not have fund collection programs to collect funds from ordinary citizens. Political parties does not have any audit or obligation to reveal where the funds comes from. It is open secret that funding comes from big business.

4. Administration is essentially run by bureaucrats, today it has come to the stage, both prime minister and president are ex bureaucrats!

5. Like everywhere else in the world in India also, government is for the big business by the big business.

6. Parliament is reflection of the current reality of democracy or non-democracy!

7. Yadha raja thadha praja …..

The situation is not different in other countries also, so expect global pro democracy movements…… This is a natural process, when regimes get corrupted they get replaced eventually, history repeats itself…..

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