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	<title>Comments on: Irrational Exuberance</title>
	<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/</link>
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		<title>By: Steve Zavestoski</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-15747</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Zavestoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-15747</guid>
		<description>Refreshing to see you questioning the "India Shining" optimists, Prashant! Two points on the survey: 

(1) The laws of probability are such that large sample sizes are not necessary to accurately represent a large population. It is true, the more diverse the sample size, the larger the sample size needs to be to ensure representatives from all of the population's sub-groups. In the U.S., for example, sample sizes of about 800-1,000 routinely predict with great accuracy things like election outcomes (the 2000 presidential election being an exception, of course). And that's in a population of 300,000,000 (though maybe only 100,000,000 voters). In any case, for India's 1.2 billion people, I think the previous estimate by Alex may be a little on the high side. The point is, a strikingly small number of people, randomly chosen, can quite easily be representative of a large population (there will always be individual exceptions).

(2) The bigger problem with the survey is that it was probably done using a technique called "random digit dialing." This means that a computer randomly dials phone numbers. Even if the numbers randomly dialed included mobiles, the survey would reach a quite unique segment of the Indian population. If this is the case, the survey results are not at all representative of the 600 million Indians (that's a guess) who have no mobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refreshing to see you questioning the &#8220;India Shining&#8221; optimists, Prashant! Two points on the survey: </p>
<p>(1) The laws of probability are such that large sample sizes are not necessary to accurately represent a large population. It is true, the more diverse the sample size, the larger the sample size needs to be to ensure representatives from all of the population&#8217;s sub-groups. In the U.S., for example, sample sizes of about 800-1,000 routinely predict with great accuracy things like election outcomes (the 2000 presidential election being an exception, of course). And that&#8217;s in a population of 300,000,000 (though maybe only 100,000,000 voters). In any case, for India&#8217;s 1.2 billion people, I think the previous estimate by Alex may be a little on the high side. The point is, a strikingly small number of people, randomly chosen, can quite easily be representative of a large population (there will always be individual exceptions).</p>
<p>(2) The bigger problem with the survey is that it was probably done using a technique called &#8220;random digit dialing.&#8221; This means that a computer randomly dials phone numbers. Even if the numbers randomly dialed included mobiles, the survey would reach a quite unique segment of the Indian population. If this is the case, the survey results are not at all representative of the 600 million Indians (that&#8217;s a guess) who have no mobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: VA</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-13956</link>
		<dc:creator>VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-13956</guid>
		<description>Seems totally idotic to compare India with China, this shows that people who research soaps do not understand how to analyse macroeconomic trends. Better advised that such idiots do not do this survey and bring disrepute to the market research industry of India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems totally idotic to compare India with China, this shows that people who research soaps do not understand how to analyse macroeconomic trends. Better advised that such idiots do not do this survey and bring disrepute to the market research industry of India.</p>
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		<title>By: shikhil</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11718</link>
		<dc:creator>shikhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11718</guid>
		<description>Indian grwoth prospects cannot be ignored. But it is unwise to be overoptimistic. Compared to China India does have few advantages. So far the China has maintained fairly huge lead over india in almost all financial and social aspect. 

Also some of the figures quoted in the article is too exuberent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indian grwoth prospects cannot be ignored. But it is unwise to be overoptimistic. Compared to China India does have few advantages. So far the China has maintained fairly huge lead over india in almost all financial and social aspect. </p>
<p>Also some of the figures quoted in the article is too exuberent.</p>
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		<title>By: China Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11440</link>
		<dc:creator>China Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11440</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;China Bubble Redux...&lt;/strong&gt;

I recently posted on what could go wrong in China from a macroeconomic perspective, linking over to DiligenceChina blog. We got some good feedback from readers here, especially the wise comment by Mr. Li, but I want to highlight a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>China Bubble Redux&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I recently posted on what could go wrong in China from a macroeconomic perspective, linking over to DiligenceChina blog. We got some good feedback from readers here, especially the wise comment by Mr. Li, but I want to highlight a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11374</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-11374</guid>
		<description>They prolly need to survey somewhere betn 7 to 10 thousand people (based on India's population) to come up with their 88% estimate with any decent margin of error. Arguably surveying in India is cheaper than some other countries but still I doubt Nielsen surveyed a good stratified sample....just like many of their other ratings and surveys, there is a liberal amt of extrapolation/guessing involved I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They prolly need to survey somewhere betn 7 to 10 thousand people (based on India&#8217;s population) to come up with their 88% estimate with any decent margin of error. Arguably surveying in India is cheaper than some other countries but still I doubt Nielsen surveyed a good stratified sample&#8230;.just like many of their other ratings and surveys, there is a liberal amt of extrapolation/guessing involved I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10966</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10966</guid>
		<description>The 88% is preposterous and its sad when people believe this kind of surveys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 88% is preposterous and its sad when people believe this kind of surveys.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10908</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10908</guid>
		<description>Val MacQueen fails to grasp the deeper and actual facts of India and its history. Look at this paragraph for example:

"Now at last, riding on a new surge of confidence at home and overseas, Indians have ditched austerity, the spinning wheel and the Mahatma and are spending it up like maharajas. In a recent survey, 90 percent of them cheerfully admitted that they spend their disposable income on non-essentials."

&#62;&#62;&#62; He fails to understand that Mahatma's struggle was to make India free hence encourging austerity and take up spinning to avoid imports from Britain.

&#62;&#62;&#62; Is the figure of 90 percent a true representation of all of India being cheerful or just the middle classes?

AJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val MacQueen fails to grasp the deeper and actual facts of India and its history. Look at this paragraph for example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now at last, riding on a new surge of confidence at home and overseas, Indians have ditched austerity, the spinning wheel and the Mahatma and are spending it up like maharajas. In a recent survey, 90 percent of them cheerfully admitted that they spend their disposable income on non-essentials.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; He fails to understand that Mahatma&#8217;s struggle was to make India free hence encourging austerity and take up spinning to avoid imports from Britain.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is the figure of 90 percent a true representation of all of India being cheerful or just the middle classes?</p>
<p>AJ</p>
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		<title>By: little Ram</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10871</link>
		<dc:creator>little Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10871</guid>
		<description>Confidence in the long term economy does not necessarily translate into an optimistic outlook on life in general.  Yes, availability and access to consumer goods has greatly improved; still, we have on eof the highest rates of private savings.  Someone needs to developproper metrics to define "optimism".  In a highly pluralistic country like India with the range of diversity that exists, I suspect getting a common denominator for almost anything will be hard.

BTW- Val MacQueen has also got his understanding on Gandhi so completely wrong.  Wish he had done some serious research into the freedom movement and Gandhi's writings before coming up with a lot of mush.  His observation that consumer complaints were ignored in the earlier era following MKG's call for self-reliance, is inaccurate.  Sure, consumer interests were ignored, but to ascribe that to Gandhian philosophy is plain wrong.  Also, I find it quite amusing that the most customer oriented message that hangs in almost all PSUs and nationalised banks and is quoted elsewhere is one that was drafted by Gandhi!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confidence in the long term economy does not necessarily translate into an optimistic outlook on life in general.  Yes, availability and access to consumer goods has greatly improved; still, we have on eof the highest rates of private savings.  Someone needs to developproper metrics to define &#8220;optimism&#8221;.  In a highly pluralistic country like India with the range of diversity that exists, I suspect getting a common denominator for almost anything will be hard.</p>
<p>BTW- Val MacQueen has also got his understanding on Gandhi so completely wrong.  Wish he had done some serious research into the freedom movement and Gandhi&#8217;s writings before coming up with a lot of mush.  His observation that consumer complaints were ignored in the earlier era following MKG&#8217;s call for self-reliance, is inaccurate.  Sure, consumer interests were ignored, but to ascribe that to Gandhian philosophy is plain wrong.  Also, I find it quite amusing that the most customer oriented message that hangs in almost all PSUs and nationalised banks and is quoted elsewhere is one that was drafted by Gandhi!</p>
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		<title>By: Prasanth</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10792</link>
		<dc:creator>Prasanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/04/irrational-exuberance/#comment-10792</guid>
		<description>88% of Indians? Where do these idots get their figures from? Jeez. And that article on TCS online is full of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>88% of Indians? Where do these idots get their figures from? Jeez. And that article on TCS online is full of crap.</p>
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