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		<title>By: Amit Abhyankar</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-44559</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Abhyankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t understand...Why such a fuss over agricultural land being used for sezs? Even after taking into consideration the land to be used by all 150 proposed sezs, the area is only around 0.0006% of total cultivated land India has. And I am talking about land under actual cultivation, not total agricultural land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t understand&#8230;Why such a fuss over agricultural land being used for sezs? Even after taking into consideration the land to be used by all 150 proposed sezs, the area is only around 0.0006% of total cultivated land India has. And I am talking about land under actual cultivation, not total agricultural land.</p>
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		<title>By: Suvrajyoti Gupta</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-24549</link>
		<dc:creator>Suvrajyoti Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We cannot do things by bits and pieces.Either you are free maket or you are not.If you are free market you follow its own rules.Such rules preclude for instance i&gt; use of eminent domain ( land acquisition) without a public purpose ii&gt; setting up such large tax incenstives that have the effect of subsidising one componentof the economy over another, iii&gt; giving an allpurpose exemption to rules of the moderating then market like that of labour and environment.

In India we rank low on the economic fredom enjoyed.A farmer for example cannot freely convert his land to any other non-agricultural use.There are a plethora of restrictions on transfer and ownership.This is why the use of Land Acquisition Act becomes necessary.Because the Govt must step in and taske through force land thatn given chance the farmer probably will willingly sell but for a higher price.Thus you create a situation whereby you distort prices , use coercion and generally create a law and order problem.The solution for this is not to create SEZs but to remove the various restrictive land laws that operate in the country.

As for inter-sectoral equity I think the SEZ Act .creates i) adiscrimination towards palyers in DTA ii) its restrictions on sale in DTA creates the situation whereby serious scope of what I call internal smuggling becomes a probility.Also it subsidies exporters that I thinkis perfectly unnecessary.I think the weakest point of the SEZ Act shall be that in time industries in the DTA shall demand the same concessions as SEZ and polity shall have to concede

As for labour law and SSi reservation if you think they are imoprtant keep them otherwise kill yhem.Do not keep them and encourage people to circumvent them.The solution is rationalization and not exemption in some selected areas.

Finally the SEs cannot be a stand alone venture without any impact on surroundings.Pollution in a SEZ for example shall lead to impact in the surrounding farmland.This burden shall be disproportionately higher on the rest of the country as the SEZs shall enjoy a variety of tax exemptions.This essentially creates a free rider prolem.

I shall like to conclude by saying that the Indian growth model so far has been radically diffrent from China.We have grown on innovation ( IT), sophisticated legal and financial norms ( Stock Market our legal system) and strong domestic demand.There is no reason for us to try to emulate the Chinese model of cheap labour , exploitation swaet shps ad a mad rush for exports disregarding rules of trade like IP protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We cannot do things by bits and pieces.Either you are free maket or you are not.If you are free market you follow its own rules.Such rules preclude for instance i&gt; use of eminent domain ( land acquisition) without a public purpose ii&gt; setting up such large tax incenstives that have the effect of subsidising one componentof the economy over another, iii&gt; giving an allpurpose exemption to rules of the moderating then market like that of labour and environment.</p>
<p>In India we rank low on the economic fredom enjoyed.A farmer for example cannot freely convert his land to any other non-agricultural use.There are a plethora of restrictions on transfer and ownership.This is why the use of Land Acquisition Act becomes necessary.Because the Govt must step in and taske through force land thatn given chance the farmer probably will willingly sell but for a higher price.Thus you create a situation whereby you distort prices , use coercion and generally create a law and order problem.The solution for this is not to create SEZs but to remove the various restrictive land laws that operate in the country.</p>
<p>As for inter-sectoral equity I think the SEZ Act .creates i) adiscrimination towards palyers in DTA ii) its restrictions on sale in DTA creates the situation whereby serious scope of what I call internal smuggling becomes a probility.Also it subsidies exporters that I thinkis perfectly unnecessary.I think the weakest point of the SEZ Act shall be that in time industries in the DTA shall demand the same concessions as SEZ and polity shall have to concede</p>
<p>As for labour law and SSi reservation if you think they are imoprtant keep them otherwise kill yhem.Do not keep them and encourage people to circumvent them.The solution is rationalization and not exemption in some selected areas.</p>
<p>Finally the SEs cannot be a stand alone venture without any impact on surroundings.Pollution in a SEZ for example shall lead to impact in the surrounding farmland.This burden shall be disproportionately higher on the rest of the country as the SEZs shall enjoy a variety of tax exemptions.This essentially creates a free rider prolem.</p>
<p>I shall like to conclude by saying that the Indian growth model so far has been radically diffrent from China.We have grown on innovation ( IT), sophisticated legal and financial norms ( Stock Market our legal system) and strong domestic demand.There is no reason for us to try to emulate the Chinese model of cheap labour , exploitation swaet shps ad a mad rush for exports disregarding rules of trade like IP protection.</p>
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		<title>By: kamal</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-14953</link>
		<dc:creator>kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi 
see my point is little diff as i am a studnt of IILM gurgaon(haryana)i m  very much intrested in this SEZ topic... many times i have felt like is it a making or breaking. but i think it is kind of essential for a country like India to take this step forward in eye of infastucture building, see why we have regrets for SEZs????mainly becoz of these resons....

1. we think it will results in huge revenue losses, say INCOME TAX,etc as it has a provision for 10 years 100% exemption from tax in first 15 yrs of oprt.

2.a setback to farmmes or agricultre ind

3. crowded places

4.economy imblances ( rich will get more richer and poor on the recieving end)

now these all resons r there which makes pepole crib about sez, say kind of reactions left is showing i can predict that this current goverment of India is going to lose coming elections and tat will be soley for this issue.....newyz these resons r good enough to shake any pillars of an economy. but why we dont see where r we at present and without taking these steps what ll be our position in the world economy. say at present INDIA has huge amount of tax which is some whr around 40,0000 cr (undisputed only) is to be collected i can bet cant be collected in next 10 yrs,courtesy - GOI as it has a form called SARAL which is too kathin in practice for a layman. say if we r use to this status that tax r not recovered or we have great tool which we allways use in bureocratic manner tat is  &quot;corruption&quot; whr 70% of corporate revenues to GOI goes for a ride. so why we r geting worried for future revenues ????

say every year govt losses 4000 cr rs only on wear and tears for the course of exports thanx to well maintened infastucture..... if sez can help in making a better India atleast look wise ( sorry for getting too sarcastic)had no choice to answer those who believes India has touched 8 % growth and should sit on that only.

In fact i pesonally feel that govt shouls hav BOT model here tat is more suitable as- suppose FOR EX- rel has invested 100 cr for a sez then they thr should a fixed amount near 100 cr which it can enjoy as 100% exempted tax and after tat amount tat sez should be tranfer to GOI and thr after rel should pay tax to GOI.

so be open to ideas no matter it is a copy or original....cheers

feedback plzzzzz= kamal.sahdev@iilm.in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi<br />
see my point is little diff as i am a studnt of IILM gurgaon(haryana)i m  very much intrested in this SEZ topic&#8230; many times i have felt like is it a making or breaking. but i think it is kind of essential for a country like India to take this step forward in eye of infastucture building, see why we have regrets for SEZs????mainly becoz of these resons&#8230;.</p>
<p>1. we think it will results in huge revenue losses, say INCOME TAX,etc as it has a provision for 10 years 100% exemption from tax in first 15 yrs of oprt.</p>
<p>2.a setback to farmmes or agricultre ind</p>
<p>3. crowded places</p>
<p>4.economy imblances ( rich will get more richer and poor on the recieving end)</p>
<p>now these all resons r there which makes pepole crib about sez, say kind of reactions left is showing i can predict that this current goverment of India is going to lose coming elections and tat will be soley for this issue&#8230;..newyz these resons r good enough to shake any pillars of an economy. but why we dont see where r we at present and without taking these steps what ll be our position in the world economy. say at present INDIA has huge amount of tax which is some whr around 40,0000 cr (undisputed only) is to be collected i can bet cant be collected in next 10 yrs,courtesy &#8211; GOI as it has a form called SARAL which is too kathin in practice for a layman. say if we r use to this status that tax r not recovered or we have great tool which we allways use in bureocratic manner tat is  &#8220;corruption&#8221; whr 70% of corporate revenues to GOI goes for a ride. so why we r geting worried for future revenues ????</p>
<p>say every year govt losses 4000 cr rs only on wear and tears for the course of exports thanx to well maintened infastucture&#8230;.. if sez can help in making a better India atleast look wise ( sorry for getting too sarcastic)had no choice to answer those who believes India has touched 8 % growth and should sit on that only.</p>
<p>In fact i pesonally feel that govt shouls hav BOT model here tat is more suitable as- suppose FOR EX- rel has invested 100 cr for a sez then they thr should a fixed amount near 100 cr which it can enjoy as 100% exempted tax and after tat amount tat sez should be tranfer to GOI and thr after rel should pay tax to GOI.</p>
<p>so be open to ideas no matter it is a copy or original&#8230;.cheers</p>
<p>feedback plzzzzz= <a href="mailto:kamal.sahdev@iilm.in">kamal.sahdev@iilm.in</a></p>
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		<title>By: Apun Ka Desh</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-12727</link>
		<dc:creator>Apun Ka Desh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know the problem. How can it be addressed?

http://apunkadesh.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know the problem. How can it be addressed?</p>
<p><a href="http://apunkadesh.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://apunkadesh.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Indian Economy Blog &#187; Just A Detail</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-12677</link>
		<dc:creator>The Indian Economy Blog &#187; Just A Detail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Following on from the recent discussion we have had here on SEZs, I couldn&#8217;t help noticing this piece in Bloomberg today about China&#8217;s move to restructure its export rebates policy. Note: they are not removing export incentives, but simply trying to redirect them as part of a policy to move up the value chain. As such this move may well be &#8216;neutral&#8217; on China&#8217;s trade surplus situation. As I have a go at explaining on my own blog here, China&#8217;s problem is not so much that it has too much cash coming in, as that this cash is leading to distortions in the investment process. Basically I have less sympathy with those who simply criticise China for having the surplus per se, since it is hard to see China importing consumer products from the developed world on any substantial scale at present so most of the purchases they make are bound to be as a contribution to the investment budget, this is simply a way of redirecting surplus investment into higher value activities. As such is a good move on China&#8217;s part. Now we will see whether those who were worried about China producing too many T-shirts and sandals are any happier with their IT products. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Following on from the recent discussion we have had here on SEZs, I couldn&#8217;t help noticing this piece in Bloomberg today about China&#8217;s move to restructure its export rebates policy. Note: they are not removing export incentives, but simply trying to redirect them as part of a policy to move up the value chain. As such this move may well be &#8216;neutral&#8217; on China&#8217;s trade surplus situation. As I have a go at explaining on my own blog here, China&#8217;s problem is not so much that it has too much cash coming in, as that this cash is leading to distortions in the investment process. Basically I have less sympathy with those who simply criticise China for having the surplus per se, since it is hard to see China importing consumer products from the developed world on any substantial scale at present so most of the purchases they make are bound to be as a contribution to the investment budget, this is simply a way of redirecting surplus investment into higher value activities. As such is a good move on China&#8217;s part. Now we will see whether those who were worried about China producing too many T-shirts and sandals are any happier with their IT products. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kuffir</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-12015</link>
		<dc:creator>kuffir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>half my comment has been eaten away..is there a problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>half my comment has been eaten away..is there a problem?</p>
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		<title>By: kuffir</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-12014</link>
		<dc:creator>kuffir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kuffir</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-12012</link>
		<dc:creator>kuffir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karthik,

&#039;Our agricultural sector is inherently inefficient because of small land holdings and too many people dependent on agriculture.&#039;

this report - http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac484e/ac484e0a.htm - says, contrary to the widely held belief that small farms mean inefficiencies, the small, marginal and sub-marginal farmers in india are more efficient and productive than large, medium farmers. 

the only problem being, because of their small size (</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karthik,</p>
<p>&#8216;Our agricultural sector is inherently inefficient because of small land holdings and too many people dependent on agriculture.&#8217;</p>
<p>this report &#8211; <a href="http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac484e/ac484e0a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac484e/ac484e0a.htm</a> &#8211; says, contrary to the widely held belief that small farms mean inefficiencies, the small, marginal and sub-marginal farmers in india are more efficient and productive than large, medium farmers. </p>
<p>the only problem being, because of their small size (</p>
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		<title>By: Karthik Rao Cavale</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-11987</link>
		<dc:creator>Karthik Rao Cavale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say the truth, I have little understanding of both economics and agriculture. But this is commonsense. Our agricultural sector is inherently inefficient because of small land holdings and too many people dependent on agriculture. But it is not going to be possible to change the situation overnight (it has to be done on the long run, not by promoting migration to towns, but by promoting village industries). But till then, being a welfare state, the state has to ensure a living wage to the farmers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say the truth, I have little understanding of both economics and agriculture. But this is commonsense. Our agricultural sector is inherently inefficient because of small land holdings and too many people dependent on agriculture. But it is not going to be possible to change the situation overnight (it has to be done on the long run, not by promoting migration to towns, but by promoting village industries). But till then, being a welfare state, the state has to ensure a living wage to the farmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarat</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/09/05/something-puzzling/comment-page-1/#comment-11974</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, if the prices they are being given is too low for their sustainence, then there is no option for the government to give them some incentive to continue.&quot;

Karthik, not to nitpick, but isn&#039;t supply-and-demand still the operative rule of any economy and the fairest arbiter of price? Or should there be another entity, such as the government, that should decide what the &quot;fair&quot; price is for agriculture and whether or not industry is getting a &quot;decent&quot; price? 

If you are an economist, as most of the bloggers here are, then feel free to educate me on this fine point. I am not an economist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, if the prices they are being given is too low for their sustainence, then there is no option for the government to give them some incentive to continue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Karthik, not to nitpick, but isn&#8217;t supply-and-demand still the operative rule of any economy and the fairest arbiter of price? Or should there be another entity, such as the government, that should decide what the &#8220;fair&#8221; price is for agriculture and whether or not industry is getting a &#8220;decent&#8221; price? </p>
<p>If you are an economist, as most of the bloggers here are, then feel free to educate me on this fine point. I am not an economist.</p>
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