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	<title>Comments on: Liberalize Indian Education</title>
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		<title>By: Mandar</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-139983</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I think all of us are missing the point. The present education system is based on physical classrooms, buildings and institutions--which can seat a finite number of students. This was suited to an environment 50 years ago. Today, in the age of e-learning, m-learning, video conferencing, etc why should there be a physical limitation on the number of "seats"? The "seats" can be unlimited. Besides, I see a lot of rigidity in the present system plus a vested interest to keep the "seats" limited so that the rats (who win the rat race) command very high market values (salaries) because of the much coveted "degrees". The whole system is ridiculous. If there are institutions (even web based or remote) who are willing to impart education to the willing (who can afford), why should we artificially place a restriction by allocating "seats"? Also in the job market of tommorow nobody will care for "degrees from govt recognised institutes" (ha!) but will only offer jobs based on a set of skills (could be programming in C++, selling door to door, good public speaking, understanding IBM AS/400, designing piping,etc,etc. As long as you have a certain set of marketable and useful skills, there won'T be any value for a degree in say 10 years from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I think all of us are missing the point. The present education system is based on physical classrooms, buildings and institutions&#8211;which can seat a finite number of students. This was suited to an environment 50 years ago. Today, in the age of e-learning, m-learning, video conferencing, etc why should there be a physical limitation on the number of &#8220;seats&#8221;? The &#8220;seats&#8221; can be unlimited. Besides, I see a lot of rigidity in the present system plus a vested interest to keep the &#8220;seats&#8221; limited so that the rats (who win the rat race) command very high market values (salaries) because of the much coveted &#8220;degrees&#8221;. The whole system is ridiculous. If there are institutions (even web based or remote) who are willing to impart education to the willing (who can afford), why should we artificially place a restriction by allocating &#8220;seats&#8221;? Also in the job market of tommorow nobody will care for &#8220;degrees from govt recognised institutes&#8221; (ha!) but will only offer jobs based on a set of skills (could be programming in C++, selling door to door, good public speaking, understanding IBM AS/400, designing piping,etc,etc. As long as you have a certain set of marketable and useful skills, there won&#8217;T be any value for a degree in say 10 years from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: anuradha</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-83053</link>
		<dc:creator>anuradha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-83053</guid>
		<description>I think the problem is that in our country too much emphasis is paid to getting a "degree" - we have no respect for anything else.Instead of worrying about IITs and IIMs which anyways will always be available only to a certain % age we should focus on improving the basic qualiy of education upto Class X. this will ensure that atleast we have basic education and awareness among all strata of society - this I do not think can be done by Private sector - but only by the Govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is that in our country too much emphasis is paid to getting a &#8220;degree&#8221; - we have no respect for anything else.Instead of worrying about IITs and IIMs which anyways will always be available only to a certain % age we should focus on improving the basic qualiy of education upto Class X. this will ensure that atleast we have basic education and awareness among all strata of society - this I do not think can be done by Private sector - but only by the Govt.</p>
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		<title>By: Karuna</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-79867</link>
		<dc:creator>Karuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-79867</guid>
		<description>Apparently the biggest issue with elementary schooling in TN is not enrollment (whose official figure is 96%) but quality. A good number of kids in 5th class cannot write and read simple Tamil. (Source Balaji sampath). 
I do believe that the government does not have an absolute or comparative advantage in anything especially in teaching. The job of the government is only to identify programme areas that need improvement per democratic principles and provide funding/incentives to those sectors. 
One way to do this could be to let free entry into schools and give a sum of money to institutes for every student from that school that passes a standardized exam. They should also maintain a database with quality rankings for them, so that every parent knows the quality of every school. 
For vacant teaching posts, decentralize recruitment, let the parents hire the teacher and let the govt pay his salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the biggest issue with elementary schooling in TN is not enrollment (whose official figure is 96%) but quality. A good number of kids in 5th class cannot write and read simple Tamil. (Source Balaji sampath).<br />
I do believe that the government does not have an absolute or comparative advantage in anything especially in teaching. The job of the government is only to identify programme areas that need improvement per democratic principles and provide funding/incentives to those sectors.<br />
One way to do this could be to let free entry into schools and give a sum of money to institutes for every student from that school that passes a standardized exam. They should also maintain a database with quality rankings for them, so that every parent knows the quality of every school.<br />
For vacant teaching posts, decentralize recruitment, let the parents hire the teacher and let the govt pay his salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhi</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-79051</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-79051</guid>
		<description>Why why why do we have so many socialists in India? and why the hell can't they learn from the failure of central planning for more than 50 years?

If there are a set of people willing to learn and a set willing to teach, why the hell should the government be in between them?  if not to just be a conduit for stealing money in between...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why why why do we have so many socialists in India? and why the hell can&#8217;t they learn from the failure of central planning for more than 50 years?</p>
<p>If there are a set of people willing to learn and a set willing to teach, why the hell should the government be in between them?  if not to just be a conduit for stealing money in between&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep Kriplani</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-74617</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandeep Kriplani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-74617</guid>
		<description>I beleive the most important aspect of education system is basic elementary education or schooling.  That is exactly where India is lacking.  The initial schooling years lay the foundation for the principles and practices that are usually followed during one's lifetime.

Due to the variance in the socio economic structure of our society, I believe, it is not advisable to put our education system in private hands.  It may be prudent to assume that children from the middle class families and upto the upper class of the society already are a part of school education system.  The problem remains about children from lower income groups and the poorest of the poor.  Although there may be some NGOs in the arena who are willing to impart education to this sector, but due to the vast majority of children's population scattered across the length and breadth of the country in this group, it is very important that the government should take an active participation in educating them.

It is sympathetic and heartening to know that our country lack primary and secondary education.  Lakhs of posts of teachers are lying vacant.  I would like to go to the extent to saying that instead of pasting a rosy picture of India Inc., a large expenditure should be made to popularize education.  Basic schooling deserved to get large budget allocation and reasonable amount of susidies.

Going by the present spending, we have a long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive the most important aspect of education system is basic elementary education or schooling.  That is exactly where India is lacking.  The initial schooling years lay the foundation for the principles and practices that are usually followed during one&#8217;s lifetime.</p>
<p>Due to the variance in the socio economic structure of our society, I believe, it is not advisable to put our education system in private hands.  It may be prudent to assume that children from the middle class families and upto the upper class of the society already are a part of school education system.  The problem remains about children from lower income groups and the poorest of the poor.  Although there may be some NGOs in the arena who are willing to impart education to this sector, but due to the vast majority of children&#8217;s population scattered across the length and breadth of the country in this group, it is very important that the government should take an active participation in educating them.</p>
<p>It is sympathetic and heartening to know that our country lack primary and secondary education.  Lakhs of posts of teachers are lying vacant.  I would like to go to the extent to saying that instead of pasting a rosy picture of India Inc., a large expenditure should be made to popularize education.  Basic schooling deserved to get large budget allocation and reasonable amount of susidies.</p>
<p>Going by the present spending, we have a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianPad</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-67262</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianPad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-67262</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Liberalize Indian Education...&lt;/strong&gt;

Liberalize Indian Education posted at IndianPad.com...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Liberalize Indian Education&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Liberalize Indian Education posted at IndianPad.com&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Venkatesh Sridhar</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-63602</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkatesh Sridhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-63602</guid>
		<description>I agree with alphie that liberalization is not the solution to every problem in this country. The country to which most Indian students go for 'higher' education is the US, the US has more public schools and universities than we do. The US has always put greater emphasis on research, we have never given the due importance to research. I would bet my lifetime earnings that as of today - December 19, 2006, the average R&#38;D spend by American companies is more than that of Indian companies. Let's take India's 'sunshine' sector - Information Technology, do we really have great IT companies that create products - the answer is Zilch. Yes, iflex is one such product company but who owns it? Oracle, an US company. It ideally should have been acquired by some Indian company, which never happened, the reason is it spends a lot on R&#38;D comparatively and the working capital required was something the Indian companies don't like too much.

Let us go back to our Indian schooling experiences. Remember, you were always compared to the guy/gal who came first in class as saying, look that kid is smart, he/she comes first  all the time. As if!!! 

With regards to the competition to get into premier educational institutions, a smart and a progressive way to reduce competition and YET maintain IF NOT increase the quality of education is to increase the number of such premier institutions which will happen only if we invest in the necessary infrastructure in terms of land requirements, people requirements, curriculum, etc. 

Here is a &lt;a href="http://prayatna.typepad.com/education/2004/05/expenditure_on_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; that compares the govt. spend on education as a percentage of GDP over the years and makes some interesting points. Due to the lack of time, I could not do the same for the 2006-07, the figures are available &lt;a&gt;. Let me assume for a minute that the average GDP spend is going to be 4.6% in 2006-07 too. With the Quota bill passed, there is going to be more strain on this fund, as they need approximately Rs. 16,563.34 crore to spread the shit that they just passed in the parliament. I got the figure from a &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://inhome.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/08quotaspec.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;rediff article&lt;/a&gt; and I was even more surprised when I was going through it I found a line which says that India spends 0.37% of its GDP on higher education. So there you go figure, what's wrong is that we are not spending enough money on our education. When you are not going to spend money on your education, you are not spending enough on infrastructure, teachers, and per student basis to provide a full educational experience. 

Let's say the Government gets out of the education business as you suggest. Who will have  the money to do this on an All India basis. Remember, your contention is that there should be abundance of good colleges so the number of premier institutes increases in the entire country. So, you need a pan India solution. Would a private player have the resources to do so in a non profit manner? I doubt. 

This is why a public-private partnership is required. Wherein the Govt. plays the role which it can play quite well that is to spend or let us say fund the education and the private sector uses the fund. 

All schools should be registered as Non Profit Organizations but they would need to divulge the financial statements and subject themselves to audit by any body deemed fit to do so, create a Educational Regulatory Authority (ERA) on the lines of TRAI or IRDA.  The ERA should consist of academicians, eminent &#38; ordinary citizens, distinguished judges, businessmen, etc. Also, ERA should keep an eye on fees that are being charged by these educational institutions so as to ensure the accessibility to people who are not well off financially. Also, deserving candidates need scholarships, in India we do not get scholarships for undergraduation or graduation like they dole out in the US. ERA should also be able to allocate grants and scholarships. The corporate houses should be encouraged to create educational grants, a lot of Indian companies would be willing to do so just to improve their CSR profile. 

I think that would be the ideal way to improve the quality and quantity of education. I would encourage your feedback and also criticism to my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with alphie that liberalization is not the solution to every problem in this country. The country to which most Indian students go for &#8216;higher&#8217; education is the US, the US has more public schools and universities than we do. The US has always put greater emphasis on research, we have never given the due importance to research. I would bet my lifetime earnings that as of today - December 19, 2006, the average R&amp;D spend by American companies is more than that of Indian companies. Let&#8217;s take India&#8217;s &#8217;sunshine&#8217; sector - Information Technology, do we really have great IT companies that create products - the answer is Zilch. Yes, iflex is one such product company but who owns it? Oracle, an US company. It ideally should have been acquired by some Indian company, which never happened, the reason is it spends a lot on R&amp;D comparatively and the working capital required was something the Indian companies don&#8217;t like too much.</p>
<p>Let us go back to our Indian schooling experiences. Remember, you were always compared to the guy/gal who came first in class as saying, look that kid is smart, he/she comes first  all the time. As if!!! </p>
<p>With regards to the competition to get into premier educational institutions, a smart and a progressive way to reduce competition and YET maintain IF NOT increase the quality of education is to increase the number of such premier institutions which will happen only if we invest in the necessary infrastructure in terms of land requirements, people requirements, curriculum, etc. </p>
<p>Here is a <a href="http://prayatna.typepad.com/education/2004/05/expenditure_on_.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a> that compares the govt. spend on education as a percentage of GDP over the years and makes some interesting points. Due to the lack of time, I could not do the same for the 2006-07, the figures are available <a>. Let me assume for a minute that the average GDP spend is going to be 4.6% in 2006-07 too. With the Quota bill passed, there is going to be more strain on this fund, as they need approximately Rs. 16,563.34 crore to spread the shit that they just passed in the parliament. I got the figure from a </a><a href="http://inhome.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/08quotaspec.htm" rel="nofollow">rediff article</a> and I was even more surprised when I was going through it I found a line which says that India spends 0.37% of its GDP on higher education. So there you go figure, what&#8217;s wrong is that we are not spending enough money on our education. When you are not going to spend money on your education, you are not spending enough on infrastructure, teachers, and per student basis to provide a full educational experience. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the Government gets out of the education business as you suggest. Who will have  the money to do this on an All India basis. Remember, your contention is that there should be abundance of good colleges so the number of premier institutes increases in the entire country. So, you need a pan India solution. Would a private player have the resources to do so in a non profit manner? I doubt. </p>
<p>This is why a public-private partnership is required. Wherein the Govt. plays the role which it can play quite well that is to spend or let us say fund the education and the private sector uses the fund. </p>
<p>All schools should be registered as Non Profit Organizations but they would need to divulge the financial statements and subject themselves to audit by any body deemed fit to do so, create a Educational Regulatory Authority (ERA) on the lines of TRAI or IRDA.  The ERA should consist of academicians, eminent &amp; ordinary citizens, distinguished judges, businessmen, etc. Also, ERA should keep an eye on fees that are being charged by these educational institutions so as to ensure the accessibility to people who are not well off financially. Also, deserving candidates need scholarships, in India we do not get scholarships for undergraduation or graduation like they dole out in the US. ERA should also be able to allocate grants and scholarships. The corporate houses should be encouraged to create educational grants, a lot of Indian companies would be willing to do so just to improve their CSR profile. </p>
<p>I think that would be the ideal way to improve the quality and quantity of education. I would encourage your feedback and also criticism to my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: athiyaman</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-63198</link>
		<dc:creator>athiyaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-63198</guid>
		<description>Pls see the chapter `What is wrong with our Schools ?` in the
famous book Free to Choose by Milton Friedman. Voucher system
for govt scholarships in private schools, etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pls see the chapter `What is wrong with our Schools ?` in the<br />
famous book Free to Choose by Milton Friedman. Voucher system<br />
for govt scholarships in private schools, etc</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-62867</link>
		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-62867</guid>
		<description>I suppose it depends on what you think would improve, Chandra.

Lower costs?

Smarter kids?

A more pleasant educational experience for children while they are at school?

A higher percentage of kids schooled in subjects your personal biases require you to believe are important?  

What's the goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it depends on what you think would improve, Chandra.</p>
<p>Lower costs?</p>
<p>Smarter kids?</p>
<p>A more pleasant educational experience for children while they are at school?</p>
<p>A higher percentage of kids schooled in subjects your personal biases require you to believe are important?  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the goal?</p>
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		<title>By: Chandra</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-62596</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2006/12/17/liberalize-indian-education/#comment-62596</guid>
		<description>"There are some things that government can do better than the private sector and schooling is one of them."

alphie, really? That's a pretty broad statement. How do you know? Is that why most children go to private schools even in smaller cities, if they are available? 

Monopoly service is not the same as better service. Free up the education section from government monopoly and the utterly incompetent UGC (after all its a bureaucracy), let unmitigated private enterprise into education sector, wait a decade or so, and then make such a board statement. Until then you have no basis for what you are saying. In fact there is case for the opposite – the case that Atanu is trying to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are some things that government can do better than the private sector and schooling is one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>alphie, really? That&#8217;s a pretty broad statement. How do you know? Is that why most children go to private schools even in smaller cities, if they are available? </p>
<p>Monopoly service is not the same as better service. Free up the education section from government monopoly and the utterly incompetent UGC (after all its a bureaucracy), let unmitigated private enterprise into education sector, wait a decade or so, and then make such a board statement. Until then you have no basis for what you are saying. In fact there is case for the opposite – the case that Atanu is trying to make.</p>
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