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	<title>Comments on: The Micro-market For Textbooks &#8230; thinking aloud!</title>
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		<title>By: vikram</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-267348</link>
		<dc:creator>vikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Text books in India are sold to Book stores Normally at a discount of 15%-35% depending on the publisher. 
The Book sellers bears the Cost of freight which is normally 3%-5%, handling &#38; Over heads is 8%,normally discount offered on books varies from 10%-20% depending on the book.He makes a margin of 5-10%.private colleges &#38; lecturers do sell books for profit with out infrastructure.

Distributors takes a margin of 5-8% after handling &#38; distribution expenses .

major chunk of money Goes to the ware housing, Marketing, promotion &#38; distribution expenses for the Publisher

the major threats are Old books are normally offered @ 50%-70%,recently developed of the concept "Book Banks" which rent the Book for Six Moths &#38; normally 10%-15% of the cost of the book.photocopying which a major threat for Publishers is not tackled effectively, hence the Publishers,Book Distributors &#38;  Book sellers, Are facing a Declining   trend in sale of Text Books in last 10 years in India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text books in India are sold to Book stores Normally at a discount of 15%-35% depending on the publisher.<br />
The Book sellers bears the Cost of freight which is normally 3%-5%, handling &amp; Over heads is 8%,normally discount offered on books varies from 10%-20% depending on the book.He makes a margin of 5-10%.private colleges &amp; lecturers do sell books for profit with out infrastructure.</p>
<p>Distributors takes a margin of 5-8% after handling &amp; distribution expenses .</p>
<p>major chunk of money Goes to the ware housing, Marketing, promotion &amp; distribution expenses for the Publisher</p>
<p>the major threats are Old books are normally offered @ 50%-70%,recently developed of the concept &#8220;Book Banks&#8221; which rent the Book for Six Moths &amp; normally 10%-15% of the cost of the book.photocopying which a major threat for Publishers is not tackled effectively, hence the Publishers,Book Distributors &amp;  Book sellers, Are facing a Declining   trend in sale of Text Books in last 10 years in India.</p>
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		<title>By: The P-C-B theory and intolerance &#171; Epistles</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-161576</link>
		<dc:creator>The P-C-B theory and intolerance &#171; Epistles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 15:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] P-C-B. Not the Physics-Chemistry-Biology ( as I would said 9 years back ) or Printed Circuit board ( 5 years back ). True to the economist in us, its more like Payer/Chooser/Beneficiary. Incentives are greatly aligned when the Beneficiary is also the Payer and the Chooser of a product. The greater the social distance between the three entities of the P-C-B, the weaker is the alignment of incentives to have effective markets. The best case is that of private spending for a car where the P-C-B entities are vested in one. The worst case is that of public spending where the entities are extremely disparate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] P-C-B. Not the Physics-Chemistry-Biology ( as I would said 9 years back ) or Printed Circuit board ( 5 years back ). True to the economist in us, its more like Payer/Chooser/Beneficiary. Incentives are greatly aligned when the Beneficiary is also the Payer and the Chooser of a product. The greater the social distance between the three entities of the P-C-B, the weaker is the alignment of incentives to have effective markets. The best case is that of private spending for a car where the P-C-B entities are vested in one. The worst case is that of public spending where the entities are extremely disparate. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav Hazrati</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158841</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaurav Hazrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 08:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the students preparing for the Medical/engineering entrance exams the cost of books is exorbitant. The Price of a single book for a subject costs top the tune of Rs 500-800. Any student from the economically weaker section or even the middle class can hardly sustain such huge costs. Even if the education is subsidized, if the prices of books are not capped there will be a serious handicap for the students who are unable to afford these books.

I believe the Government needs to be proactive in keeping a sealing for the price of reference book especially after the 10th standard. Although i understand the perils of Government diktats but this step is pertinent in order to prepare a level playing field for the dissemination of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the students preparing for the Medical/engineering entrance exams the cost of books is exorbitant. The Price of a single book for a subject costs top the tune of Rs 500-800. Any student from the economically weaker section or even the middle class can hardly sustain such huge costs. Even if the education is subsidized, if the prices of books are not capped there will be a serious handicap for the students who are unable to afford these books.</p>
<p>I believe the Government needs to be proactive in keeping a sealing for the price of reference book especially after the 10th standard. Although i understand the perils of Government diktats but this step is pertinent in order to prepare a level playing field for the dissemination of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Basab</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158747</link>
		<dc:creator>Basab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the link to Manish Kumar's page (Nita's post above) it seems like there may be a case for the government to mandate that all text books in all schools, inlcuding private schools, be based on the government textbook material. Next the government makes the digital content available for free. Market competition should be able to take care of the  rest to bring the prices of text books down drastically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link to Manish Kumar&#8217;s page (Nita&#8217;s post above) it seems like there may be a case for the government to mandate that all text books in all schools, inlcuding private schools, be based on the government textbook material. Next the government makes the digital content available for free. Market competition should be able to take care of the  rest to bring the prices of text books down drastically.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158350</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Removing the requirement to use a specific textbook  would improve market efficiencies.  This model is used in England where students can choose from a list of books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Removing the requirement to use a specific textbook  would improve market efficiencies.  This model is used in England where students can choose from a list of books.</p>
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		<title>By: Pramod Biligiri</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158334</link>
		<dc:creator>Pramod Biligiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Karnataka's State syllabus, the Govt. prescribes textbooks still Standard X. In my days the Govt. used to publish too, which often led to delays in printing and distribution. I don't know if they now outsource publishing. The textbooks continue to be manadated by the Govt. though.

Things are totally different after Standard X. The Govt. is only in charge of syllabus, question papers and evaluation. There is an open market and good competition from different textbook publishers with different authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Karnataka&#8217;s State syllabus, the Govt. prescribes textbooks still Standard X. In my days the Govt. used to publish too, which often led to delays in printing and distribution. I don&#8217;t know if they now outsource publishing. The textbooks continue to be manadated by the Govt. though.</p>
<p>Things are totally different after Standard X. The Govt. is only in charge of syllabus, question papers and evaluation. There is an open market and good competition from different textbook publishers with different authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Nita</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158196</link>
		<dc:creator>Nita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you talking about government schools in India or private schools? I thought that in most govt schools, the textbooks are chosen by the govt. 

There is an interesting project being done by Manish Kumar at Stanford University called "E-books: Books for all" that "will enable the online sharing and transmission of books to schools. He will also partner with the government and non profit organizations to develop a revenue sharing model for textbook printing services in more technologically advanced schools."
http://rdvp.org/fellows/2006-2007/manish-kumar/

I am also doing a slightly different project - SocialWay http://www.socialway.com - to enable people to share books online. It does not solve the school textbook problem except perhaps to create a more efficient used book market. It does help to create a larger pool of available books for everyone to read. SocialWay enables people to lend, borrow, give things for free in their community and thus create virtual library of real books.
http://rdvp.org/fellows/2005-2006/nita-goyal/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about government schools in India or private schools? I thought that in most govt schools, the textbooks are chosen by the govt. </p>
<p>There is an interesting project being done by Manish Kumar at Stanford University called &#8220;E-books: Books for all&#8221; that &#8220;will enable the online sharing and transmission of books to schools. He will also partner with the government and non profit organizations to develop a revenue sharing model for textbook printing services in more technologically advanced schools.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://rdvp.org/fellows/2006-2007/manish-kumar/" rel="nofollow">http://rdvp.org/fellows/2006-2007/manish-kumar/</a></p>
<p>I am also doing a slightly different project - SocialWay <a href="http://www.socialway.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialway.com</a> - to enable people to share books online. It does not solve the school textbook problem except perhaps to create a more efficient used book market. It does help to create a larger pool of available books for everyone to read. SocialWay enables people to lend, borrow, give things for free in their community and thus create virtual library of real books.<br />
<a href="http://rdvp.org/fellows/2005-2006/nita-goyal/" rel="nofollow">http://rdvp.org/fellows/2005-2006/nita-goyal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Crazyfinger</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158186</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazyfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As your posts go, Naveen, this too stays on the message and gets into specifics.  Thanks for the post. 

&lt;i&gt;This implies relatively little price competition at the final beneficiary’s end. And consequently higher prices. However the counter-argument may be that he is extracting the true rent in a situation of weak intellectual property rights and the entrepreneurial costs of providing such a non-perishable and replicable product in the first place. &lt;/i&gt;

I don't think my comment addresses your post directly.  But just so a bit of a feel for the underlying economics of book publishing may add to the discussion, I am writing this comment.

I would like to look at this matter from, "If you were tasked to identify a money-making opportunity here, what would be your business case?" point of view.  Let's just try to guestimate the economics of this text book publishing.  All guess work, I am not a publisher.  Reasonable estimates I think. 

Regardless of how it is either in U.S. or whatever (because they are all screwy), if we ask ourselves a question: "How would you address this text book problem from a business point of view, so that you are both solving a &lt;i&gt;real problem&lt;/i&gt; and making money by doing that?" we should at least see one aspect rightaway: that the printing costs are not really a big issue here.  The &lt;i&gt;distribution costs are, on the other hand, a big problem&lt;/i&gt; (as expected). 

Let's say the book store charges Rs 50/- for an average &lt;i&gt;new text book&lt;/i&gt;.  What happens to these 50 rupees?  Where does this money go?  Let's say this is a 200 page book; printing+binding costs say 5 paise per page, so the &lt;i&gt;manufacturing costs&lt;/i&gt; of each book is Rs 10/-.  This is the cost to the publisher per book. 

The publisher in turn sells this book to disti, say for Rs 25/- per book.  For each book that fetches 25 rupees, the publisher gives the author a royalty of, say, 3 rupees, may be 5 rupees at the most (10%).  Remaining are publisher's profit and marketing costs.

Disti in turn charges the bookstore Rs 30/-.  The bookstore pays 30 rupees for the book and displays it with an an "MSRP" tag of Rs 50/-.  So even if the bookstore offers a 25% discount, they still make about 8.50 per book.  Not a bad margin.

0) Consumer paid Rs 50/-
1) Bookstore price to consumer (per book):  50/-  (or less with discounts)
2) Disti price to bookstore (per book): 30/-
3) Publisher price to disti (per book): 25/-
4) Printing costs (per book): 10/-
5) Author royalties (per book): 5/-
6) Book cover design, artwork, layout, graphics, etc. (one time cost): upfront investment from publisher.

These above 6 elements of the supply chain, we cannot avoid.  They are essential.  If the text book market were  to be a "free market" system, this is how it all pans out.  But as it is now, it looks more like a pharmaceutical market.  

On the business/market sizing, text book market is more or less constant, with only small rate of growth.  Number of schools aren't growing like cell phone adopters, nor are children entering the school system.  It  appears to me more and more like a sustainable commodities market. 

Let's say a startup, IEB Inc., comes along and says: "No school has to ever again worry about how to provide text books to its students in time.  We will take care of that problem.  This is how."  What would this message be like, in specific terms?

I think it should like what Teaching Company (www.teach12.com) is today.  Something along the lines of: "Each year we pre-select a group of a 1000 or a 2000 (or whatever) respected text book authors (how they are measured is a different issue) and every school season we are ready to ship out all the books for all the courses by each participating school.  Oh by the way, if you are school, this is how you participate in this program - no cost to you.  If you don't have a local bookstore, or a distributor willing to stock your text books, just place a bulk order at our website and we'll ship these books out to your school directly."

Will something like this work?  If yes, then why isn't there already a company doing it?  Alternately, why would something like the above &lt;i&gt;not work&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;?

Regards, Crazyfinger&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As your posts go, Naveen, this too stays on the message and gets into specifics.  Thanks for the post. </p>
<p><i>This implies relatively little price competition at the final beneficiary’s end. And consequently higher prices. However the counter-argument may be that he is extracting the true rent in a situation of weak intellectual property rights and the entrepreneurial costs of providing such a non-perishable and replicable product in the first place. </i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think my comment addresses your post directly.  But just so a bit of a feel for the underlying economics of book publishing may add to the discussion, I am writing this comment.</p>
<p>I would like to look at this matter from, &#8220;If you were tasked to identify a money-making opportunity here, what would be your business case?&#8221; point of view.  Let&#8217;s just try to guestimate the economics of this text book publishing.  All guess work, I am not a publisher.  Reasonable estimates I think. </p>
<p>Regardless of how it is either in U.S. or whatever (because they are all screwy), if we ask ourselves a question: &#8220;How would you address this text book problem from a business point of view, so that you are both solving a <i>real problem</i> and making money by doing that?&#8221; we should at least see one aspect rightaway: that the printing costs are not really a big issue here.  The <i>distribution costs are, on the other hand, a big problem</i> (as expected). </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the book store charges Rs 50/- for an average <i>new text book</i>.  What happens to these 50 rupees?  Where does this money go?  Let&#8217;s say this is a 200 page book; printing+binding costs say 5 paise per page, so the <i>manufacturing costs</i> of each book is Rs 10/-.  This is the cost to the publisher per book. </p>
<p>The publisher in turn sells this book to disti, say for Rs 25/- per book.  For each book that fetches 25 rupees, the publisher gives the author a royalty of, say, 3 rupees, may be 5 rupees at the most (10%).  Remaining are publisher&#8217;s profit and marketing costs.</p>
<p>Disti in turn charges the bookstore Rs 30/-.  The bookstore pays 30 rupees for the book and displays it with an an &#8220;MSRP&#8221; tag of Rs 50/-.  So even if the bookstore offers a 25% discount, they still make about 8.50 per book.  Not a bad margin.</p>
<p>0) Consumer paid Rs 50/-<br />
1) Bookstore price to consumer (per book):  50/-  (or less with discounts)<br />
2) Disti price to bookstore (per book): 30/-<br />
3) Publisher price to disti (per book): 25/-<br />
4) Printing costs (per book): 10/-<br />
5) Author royalties (per book): 5/-<br />
6) Book cover design, artwork, layout, graphics, etc. (one time cost): upfront investment from publisher.</p>
<p>These above 6 elements of the supply chain, we cannot avoid.  They are essential.  If the text book market were  to be a &#8220;free market&#8221; system, this is how it all pans out.  But as it is now, it looks more like a pharmaceutical market.  </p>
<p>On the business/market sizing, text book market is more or less constant, with only small rate of growth.  Number of schools aren&#8217;t growing like cell phone adopters, nor are children entering the school system.  It  appears to me more and more like a sustainable commodities market. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say a startup, IEB Inc., comes along and says: &#8220;No school has to ever again worry about how to provide text books to its students in time.  We will take care of that problem.  This is how.&#8221;  What would this message be like, in specific terms?</p>
<p>I think it should like what Teaching Company (www.teach12.com) is today.  Something along the lines of: &#8220;Each year we pre-select a group of a 1000 or a 2000 (or whatever) respected text book authors (how they are measured is a different issue) and every school season we are ready to ship out all the books for all the courses by each participating school.  Oh by the way, if you are school, this is how you participate in this program - no cost to you.  If you don&#8217;t have a local bookstore, or a distributor willing to stock your text books, just place a bulk order at our website and we&#8217;ll ship these books out to your school directly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will something like this work?  If yes, then why isn&#8217;t there already a company doing it?  Alternately, why would something like the above <i>not work</i><i>?</p>
<p>Regards, Crazyfinger</i></p>
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		<title>By: Red Soul</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/05/08/the-micro-market-for-textbooks-thinking-aloud/#comment-158096</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a student in NY, I can tell text books here cost a fortune. Though in India, they are soo cheap. I dont know what factors decide the price of the textbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student in NY, I can tell text books here cost a fortune. Though in India, they are soo cheap. I dont know what factors decide the price of the textbook.</p>
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