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July 11, 2007

The Soldier And The Corporate

Filed under: Business,Human Capital,Miscellaneous — Pragmatic @ 12:37 pm

…and the twain shall never meet. It was a gathering of retired, about-to-retire and planning-to-retire Indian military officers – an amorphous rendezvous, where most of the participants were attempting a successful transition from the uniformed to the corporate life. Atanu Dey was also there and he addressed them in his usual manner – luculent, frank, forthright and succinct. The issues raised by the audience were equally engaging and thought provoking. Despite the fact that the Indian economy is growing and there are opportunities galore in the corporate sector, there was an undercurrent of trepidation and resentment in the military officers at being dealt a raw deal by the business houses.

Are we missing a trick here? Everyone talks about the shortage of qualified, trained and experienced manpower at middle to senior levels in corporate India. However, no one seems to be looking at the large pool of military officers moving out into the civil life.

There are broadly three categories in which military officers move out. The first after serving for 5 years in short service commission when they are around 30 years of age; the second category is of those who venture out after 20 years in uniform, having earned a government pension, and are in their early forties; and the last is of service officers completing their full military tenures and moving out on the right side of 50.

Atanu conceded that the Indian businesses have their apprehensions while hiring former military officers – their experience of working in a rigid and hierarchical government organisation vis-à-vis a flatter corporate organisation and their relatively higher age during transition are held against them.

It was evident from their experiences that military officers above 40 years of age are not welcomed openly by the corporate world. In the developed world, these corporations would have been sued for discriminatory practices. Alas, it doesn’t happen in India. Recent reports have suggested that the age profile of middle and senior managers in the Indian corporates has reduced considerably and this makes it even more difficult for the military officers to succeed in the corporate world.

The researchers have concluded that leadership skills acquired during military training enhance success in corporate life. In the US, chief executives who served as military officers constitute 8.4% of the S&P 500 list compared to only 3% of all US males who served as officers. Companies led by these CEOs delivered higher average returns than the S&P 500 index. In other words, a military officer in the US has three times more chances than the average US citizen to be a top CEO. What are the reasons it doesn’t happen in India?

The obvious answer is to blame the corporates; they aren’t interested in hiring, training and promoting military officers in India. The facts, however, point somewhere else. Barring the short service officers (which is a very small percentage of the total numbers moving out), all other officers move out much later than an average US military officer. These US military officers acquire MBA degrees from top US colleges (supported by the liberal assistance programs of the US government), join the corporate world in their early thirties and have a smooth career progression from thereon. In India, the military is not keen to let go of younger people. The figures provided by the defence minister in the parliament testify to the high number of applications for quitting the military being turned down. As this recent media report suggests, there is discontentment in the military on not being allowed to move out before 20 years.

A riveting argument was propagated at the gathering to counter the military polemics. The Indian military contends that it cannot let go of its officers because there is a severe shortage of officers and many hours and millions of rupees have been invested in training these officers. However, the government has no such restrictions for DRDO scientists working on top defence projects or even on the top nuclear scientists working in the BARC at Mumbai. They can quit at a simple three months notice. The argument of organisation unable to function efficiently, because of people moving out, is equally applicable to other government organisations – the SAIL can similarly say that they aren’t getting any engineers and they won’t let anyone leave. If he goes, their production will suffer and consequently India’s GDP will grow slowly. What is more distressing to these military officers is that these restrictions on moving out are not imposed by the government (the much berated neta-babu nexus), but by the three services themselves. The navy is the most liberal allowing the maximum officers to leave while in the airforce, it is barely a trickle now. The cogent arguments given by the former air chief Krishnaswamy (246 pilots were released from the air force during his tenure from 2003 to 2005) are more valid today and one cannot but lament this criminal wastage of national resource, being abetted by the Indian military unknowingly.

To put things in perspective, the US army officers passing out after 4 years of training at the West Point have a six year contract liability and over 55% move on to the civil street at the end of minimum contract period. Moreover, the officers wanting to move out earlier can also do so by paying out the contract. In comparison, the contractual period for the short service officers (trained only for nine months unlike regular full time officers from West Point) in India has been further increased from 5 to 10 years, which is going to further hinder their transition to the corporate world. In the long run, it will end up making a military career even more unattractive for the younger generation in India.

The way ahead for ex-military officers seeking employment in the corporate world would not be made easier by the corporate or the industrial houses on their own or by government’s campaigns of generating greater awareness on the subject. The issues of corporate or social responsibility and affirmative action in the private sector, as widely understood by the political class and the popular media, are also inapplicable to these military officers. A successful second innings in the corporate world for the majority of military officers will remain a pipedream unless there is a preponderance of military officers at the higher echelons of the corporate ladder. This, in turn, can occur only if the military not only allows but also actively encourages its officers, both short service and regulars, to move out at a younger age. This is the least the military owes to its own officers – men and women, who have staked their youth to the organisation – to plan and succeed in their second innings.

An intriguing aside. Most ex-military officers claim that the CTC of a military officer with around 20 years of service, including all the freebies and perquisites, is around 18 lakhs per annum. The corporate world, however, doesn’t believe it to be true and is not ready to offer a similar deal to them. This argument of CTC is self-defeating. The defence forces are crying hoarse with the government that their salaries are abysmally low and they deserve a massive hike. The corporate world dips into these reports and believes them, rather than a military officer who has no evidence to support his claim, other than a monthly salary slip of 30,000 rupees. As a wag saw it – God forbid, if the sixth pay commission were to consider this claimed CTC for military officers, it would have to bring down the military salaries instead of hiking them!

32 Comments »

  1. Great post..I believe the Indian Army should increase the intake in Short Services Commission (SSC) and then let them go after at least 5 years..The government should also talk to the IIM’s at the least to have some of these bright retirees get absorbed in the mainstream business world by introducing courses for them. The leadership abilities that these officers have acquired is no match. Imagine a person leading a organization or a risk function who has served as a para trooper and can keep his cool in the worst of situations…We are just letting that experience down the drain. Also, the government should make sure that these retirees are part of the Indian Army reserves…Also, new efforts should be directed towards having more folks in the reserves..there is a lot of opportunity and leadership in the Army, and we have to take care of them. We have to realize that a majority of these officers decided to serve their country via defence forces wherein they could have gotten into some engineering/management program. They have the passion and the training, lets utilize that.

    Comment by Aseem Juneja — July 12, 2007 @ 1:09 am

  2. [...] Ex-defence n all Filed under: assorted, weird, india — Sharath Rao @ 8:06 pm A brilliant post on the IE blog about ex-defence officers seeking out corporate positions and the weird incentives they face : An intriguing aside. Most ex-military officers claim that the CTC of a military officer with around 20 years of service, including all the freebies and perquisites, is around 18 lakhs per annum. The corporate world, however, doesn’t believe it to be true and is not ready to offer a similar deal to them. This argument of CTC is self-defeating. The defence forces are crying hoarse with the government that their salaries are abysmally low and they deserve a massive hike. The corporate world dips into these reports and believes them, rather than a military officer who has no evidence to support his claim, other than a monthly salary slip of 30,000 rupees. As a wag saw it – God forbid, if the sixth pay commission were to consider this claimed CTC for military officers, it would have to bring down the military salaries instead of hiking them! [...]

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  3. Some of the so called leadership skills may be their liability. It is a completely different kind of leadership skills required in private sector. In military you just obey what the boss ask you to do. That will not be the case in new economy sector.

    Comment by reghu — July 12, 2007 @ 8:06 am

  4. @reghu

    Uhh…were you in the defence forces (no offence just asking) because contrary to your statement, army soldiers are trained to think for themselves, not just obey what their seniors tell them to do. Their training consists of inculcating in them a sense of balance where they can obey their superior officers and use their own intelligence at the same time…it is this sort of attitude that is most highly prized in companies in the private sector and one of the reasons why so many ex-army officers in other countries have become such good entrepreneurs .

    Comment by Vineet — July 12, 2007 @ 4:54 pm

  5. Good post and you’ve made a lot of good points but how will the army compensate for its shortage if it lets go of its current officers? I’m not saying that what u say the army is doing at the moment is great but is there any alternative?

    Comment by Amogh — July 12, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

  6. Amogh,

    I think if we consider the situation dynamically, the analysis would lead us to the conclusion that the easier it is for a person to leave the armed forces and the better the training that one obtains while in service, there will never be a shortage of people willing to enlist. It has to be a win/win game. The armed forces have to provide value to the society just as any other institution of society. I am not saying that the defense of the nation that the armed forces provide is in any sense insufficient; I am merely saying that we can consider the forces to be not just a shield but instead an instrument of nation building.

    Ours is a volunteer army but perhaps India should have a \”partly involuntary\” service as well. Imagine if at the age of 18, every able-bodied person had to be in the army for 2 years, during which time they would work communally and live at the same standard of living irrespective of where they come from. Well that is a tangent that I should explore elsewhere.

    Thanks to Pragmatic for an interesting writeup.

    Comment by Atanu Dey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

  7. Pragmatic says The Indian military contends that it cannot let go of its officers because there is a severe shortage of officers and many hours and millions of rupees have been invested in training these officers

    Does the government realize that its restrictions on officers leaving are actually going to harm the services in the long run? This sort of muzzle may slow the outflow of officers today but it will reduce the attractiveness of the services to a potential recruitee and further worsen the very problem the government is trying to solve ie, shortage of officers vis-a-vis requirements. Talk about a vicious circle!

    Re the \”time & rupees invested in training\” — why doesn\’t the government recover this money from the officers and/or their putuative private sector employers In today\’s red-hot labor market, methinks this should be eminently doable.

    Comment by Prashant — July 12, 2007 @ 8:47 pm

  8. I have never been in army but had dealt with many ex-indian army folks and please don’t compare indian army guys with those from US. I have many friends in US army who are there just to get their education completed, and that is one of the main recruiting tool to attract youngsters..

    Comment by reghu — July 13, 2007 @ 8:50 am

  9. @reghu

    all right, but even if I don’t compare Indian soldiers with soldiers of other nations, that doesn’t change the fact that mental training in the Indian army is more of a gift and less of a burden. I can quote from personal experience. My father and two brothers were in the army (both my brothers on SSC). Today, my first brother works for a huge salary for an Indian firm in London as a senior manager. He tells me that if it hadn’t been for military training, he would have found it far more difficult to handle every day work pressures. Not only that, he was also hired by firm because his employers believed his military training would come in handy.

    Comment by Vineet — July 13, 2007 @ 10:45 am

  10. Some form of mandatory/partly mandatory military service for 18+ yr old males in India can have multiple advantages -

    - Considering the millions of youngsters who are headed for BPOs, call centers, IIT/IIM/IAS entrance mania, farming, rioting, or doing nothing will get a chance to discipline themselves and have a direction in life. They’ll build a fitness history at young age and will hopefully continue to be physically active and keep the nation’s medical bills lower. Time to come can bring mass unemployment, mass uprisings, huge income disparities and with so much testosterone in the nation’s system, it’s easy for things to go out of control. We all see young men taking to riots at drop of a hat..

    - Graduates of this service will be able to form a queue, will hopefully respect women, will hopefully help out needy on the street. crime charts could go south.

    - future leaders could emerge from this group who will be able to stand erect and not look sick like average indian leader/politician. george bush, vladimir putin, ahmednijad, even musharraf….right or wrong, smart or idiot, leader’s got to be fit

    - more and more people in corporate world will belong to the same fraternity and chances of them reaching the top will improve. current scenario mentioned in this article is also because they are a minority and india’s “lala” business owners don’t understand the value of discipline, organization, and professionalism.

    My experience working with Israelis who go through mandatory service has been very positive. don’t see why India should not do this..

    Comment by ashutosh — July 13, 2007 @ 1:50 pm

  11. Ashutosh and Atanu,

    I agree that making military service for all fit men compulsory for atleast a few years will do India a world of good. But somehow I don’t see the Indian masses swallowing it.

    If the govt announces such a plan, the public will go livid, the opposition will cause a controversy and the media will make comments on how Indian democracy is degrading itself by militarizing. Frightened, the govt will immediately withdraw the plan and pretend they never considered it.

    Any suggestions to overcome this?

    Comment by Amogh — July 13, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

  12. I think that that mandatory army service has to be a subtle change. We have been beating researvation for more than 50 years..We can create a new form of priority listing for government services and gives tax breaks/incentives for companies that hire ex-servicemen. We have the quota now but it is for the kids of military folks..
    Some suggestions – Right now the maximum age for taking the Civil Services exam is 5 years more for SC/ST background. SSC in army is also for 5 years..Let it be the same age for pex-SSC folks too…
    The army can start with a 3 months manadatory training for every male between the ages of 18-25 and see the outcome..
    Many ways to start it but educating people beforehand will be the best method..

    Comment by Aseem Juneja — July 13, 2007 @ 10:15 pm

  13. Army men have a different drive, which will do the industry a world of good, in most of the cases. One example I can sight here is Capt. Raghu, who heads Mahindra SSG. I had the privelege of attending one of his lectures on leadership, it was brilliant to say the least.
    You tend to appreciate an Army person at the drop of a hat, for you know he has been there and done that. i concur with Ramnath about the Logistics bit. Point is, you try to hold people back from resignin, it aint gonna help. Alternate arrangement, with a heavy pay package and a chance to commute tax breaks for higher pay, might be a thing to look at

    Comment by Aneesh — July 16, 2007 @ 8:13 pm

  14. Atanu, can you help me out here? On what basis do the army officers you talked to feel that the “CTC of a military officer with around 20 years of service, including all the freebies and perquisites, is around 18 lakhs per annum”?

    Granted they have great skills etc but most of them generally move through the system on the basis of seniority. Just trying to figure out what gives them that kind of entitlement?

    Comment by Nikhil — July 16, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

  15. Nikhil, People in the army don\’t move only by seniority beyond a stage (after 16-17 years). The structure is so in fact pyramidical that many army officers consider it to be more like the Eiffel tower.

    After around 20 years in the army, an officer would be entitled to his pay (basic + rank + dearness allowance + other allowances), which should easily be 5-6 L per annum in the bank. Now add perks like virtually free housing in the best areas of town, heavily subsidised electricity and water, free transport, medical facilities, sahayaks, memberships of clubs and sports facilities, subsidised education for children, CSD facilities etc. I might have missed out on a few and thus the figure of 18L is floated by certain officers. I can neither agree nor disagree with it as I can\’t testify to the veracity of the claim.

    Actually, I don\’t think that the question is about the exact figure of CTC. It is the irony of the situation. The Army wants more from the Government; the officers go to the civvy street and quote a CTC figure, which could embarrass their own bosses. There are many shaded of gray and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is that the corporate world is offering them something substantially less from what they are currently getting and there is no point solely blaming the corporate houses for it.

    Comment by Pragmatic — July 17, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

  16. Most of the senior management at least in the IT sector is brain-dead and could easily be replaced by people in the armed forces at much lower costs. Unlike the current deadwood in the IT sector, atleast the armed forces guys have training in new technologies and have used them

    Comment by Kannan — July 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

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  18. good article………..the govt need to assist these officer in the transformation by giving quotas in IIM and other business education institution of repute….its least the country can do to encourage good talent join the forces

    Comment by mani — August 6, 2007 @ 4:01 pm

  19. hi,
    i am happy i happen to reach this blog, albeit by default. i am serving in the army with 23 yrs service now. am an electronics engr, and obtained few more civil qualifications thanx to the army, and certainly ‘in the run’ for more promotions (actually only two more promotions remain).
    but i feel that the challenges within the army as i perceive them are over at my stage. looking for a job/ challenge in the civvy street.
    can anyone suggest/ help me?
    thanx.
    sanjeev

    Comment by col sanjeev devasthali — August 15, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

  20. I come late into this discussion; but I’ve got to support Atanu’s point

    Imagine if at the age of 18, every able-bodied person had to be in the army for 2 years, during which time they would work communally and live at the same standard of living irrespective of where they come from. Well that is a tangent that I should explore elsewhere.

    Fully support that. Why two years, one day at a ‘serious’ NCC camp was enough to straighten out many of us urban, middle-class kids. I strongly recommend enrolment in NCC for young people between 14 and 21. It’s voluntary…but some incentives should make more people take it up. (Note that this may not be close to a satisfactory solution of the manpower problems of the armed forces)

    Comment by Nitin — August 16, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

  21. Agreed,
    all points put over this place are looking good.

    What we need to find out is
    what is currently happening in India ?
    We have NCC in schools, colleges and Univ(iam not so sure) too.
    Can you tell me
    how many families are ready to send their children to take part in that NCC ?
    Less, very less than what we can imagine.
    Poor or middle family people childrens are more in taking part in NCC, as we all know, their are few advantage for joining
    that NCC like we get seats in few college.
    To state it, the educated people send their students to International schools or well known and popular
    schools.only few geniune childrens who are really wanted to fly in colors in NCC are taking part in that.
    you can’t put the blame so easily by categorising.
    Who is in charge for this situation?
    Everybody is incharge for this , i wont say totally government,

    what can be changed to make that work in India ?
    There is no encouragement in all schools.
    Beleive me there are more number of schools where childrens read about NCC in pages.
    Every schools should take incharge , our schools childrens are taking part in all NCC drills.
    Every family member should be proud that their kids are knowing about what is NCC, and how military people work.
    The solution could be encouraging all class people childrens to participate from school level itself,
    so that the habit of serving will come to them in the teenage itself.

    And there should be a concept of recognizing them than what is being done now,{now also there is recognition , only few know about it}
    all level , so that it will be taken as serious.

    This is not the solution for this problem stated in this section of blog,

    but it could lead to a solution like, everybody knows about their country military and the desire to serve for 2 or 3 years
    would increase,adn if people started recognizing them as if they are trained people then it could solve the problem.
    These are my two paisas i wanted to give.

    Comment by Selva — August 17, 2007 @ 8:30 am

  22. And for those really who are affected now, who are not able to find a high paid job outside,
    you cant just compare all with US military people and say, they are getting High graded job as CEO… etc.
    Iam not degrading you all, you all have our well deserved respect all for serving my country,
    Think , think well , you got to be well efficient to manage the company, all can’t get into CEO post or whatever
    high graded job stated. I want to cite an example, every year few thousands of people are getting their MBA degrees,
    in those around 1000 people are from IIMs, are all people getting into post of CEO’s ?.
    remember they have put so much effort to study over ther and they have proved to people that we are capable of doing it,
    but still everybody is not given that chance.So you got to be very good to get into that level. By serving that country
    for 20 years will not earn you the intelligence, generation have changed, you really got to be intelligent to pick up
    the knowledge in the current trend, you should have the updated your knowledge of what is going around technology,
    how is the current trend in business etc… i mean to learn that tricks of trade is not so difficult, but you got to
    prove yourself to people that you are intelligent enough, then definelty people will trust in giving the post.

    I want to say that, if you are so intelligent , you would have risen definetly,
    if you are not , then you are average person, in the country like india where population is huge an average person
    cant go in top so easily, even if he has gone thier , he would not have sustained there for longtime.
    Please dont take these into your heart directly, you all have our respect for what you have done.

    Comment by Velan — August 17, 2007 @ 8:50 am

  23. Nitin, before we go around advocating mandatory army experience you may want to read Pragmatic’s commentary on fragging in the army (13 fraggicides in 2006).

    http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/14/suicides-fragging-significant-numbers/

    Note: Fragging involves the murder of a commanding officer (C.O.) or a senior noncommissioned officer perceived as unpopular, harsh, or inept.

    Just want to throw that out there for consideration. ;)

    Comment by Nikhil Nayak — August 18, 2007 @ 11:10 am

  24. Nikhil,

    That’s throwing away the baby with the bathwater. It is nobody’s argument that the army is perfect: it has orgsanisations problems of its own, and black sheep in its flock. But it doesn’t affect the argument.

    Comment by Nitin — August 18, 2007 @ 8:39 pm

  25. Thx Pragmatic Euphony for initiating a sensible debate. I am in the army and have approx 7 years service. Let me clear things a bit about the 20 lakh CTC issue. How is this calculated? An average army officer with 7-10 years service has
    a salary of 25,000 Rs.
    6 X train travel at 40% concession in AC II tier
    tpt allce @ 400/500 Rs pm
    free housing ..2/3 bedroom house
    club membership
    All this seems quite lucrative to the common guy out there. And yes it is a means to justify higher salaries from corporates. Let me tell you the truth. The salary given is grossly inadequate as is obvious. An average army officer today would anyday avoid travelling by train ..His social status inhibits him from travelling by train..I cant remember the last time I travelled by train for personal work..always took a flight at my own cost even though I could barely afford it. The housing is pathetic. The Military Engineering Services are the most corrupt organisation and the houses are 15-20 years old with no modern amenities. The are poorly maintained. There is a waiting period in most areas for a house and officers at many times stay outside in hired accommodation for which they get 50% compensation.
    In all, the point is that the young army officer today is disillusioned and misled. He joined the army after seeing the lucrative ad campaigns by the army showing officers play golf and polo, but has realised that he has to live a life where he must maintain high social standards and yet is severely undercompensated and cant live up to these social expectations. It is the primary reason for an increase in the number of army officers trying to leave and join the corporate sector. He may be blamed for not being patriotic but the truth is that he has to have the means of looking after his family..he deserves at least enough pay to ensure his kids can go to a good school, and his family is looked after while he serves long periods away from his family in faraway postings.
    So when an officer leaving the army asks for 20 lakh p.a. CTC from corporates , they must realise that they are getting a highly qualified, highly motivated guy fora bargain. He might not be earning that much , but someone with the skills of an Indian Army officer deserves more.
    I am sure if the 6th pay commission manages to satisfy the army officers’ requirements the no. of officers leaving will reduce significantly.. and the sharp rise in corruption in defence forces over the past few years will decrease ..Army officers are extremely hardworking, highly motivated with dynamic leadership skills. They have low expectations and fully realise that the work they do cannot be measured monetarily…yet they also feel the pinch because they are working wonders for a defunct organisation run by apatheitc leaders and still being paid peanuts for their work.

    Comment by Vikas — September 6, 2007 @ 11:16 am

  26. Vikas,

    Thanks for dropping by. I can understand your pain and anguish. In an free market, each one will get what he deserves. Military, by nature, is a closed organisation. There aren’t going to be any revolutions in the military; small, incremental and significant change is the pressing need of the hour. The Army (and the air force) should not forget that an exit barrier is actually an entry barrier. Just that the top leadership here is short-sighted not to see through this simple fact.

    It might be of some interest to you that I have written on many other issues related to the defence services on my blog
    http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in

    Comment by Pragmatic — September 9, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

  27. Hello folks ,

    great ideas here. Thanks to the contributors .

    I am an ex army officer and found this forum to be a great one .Apologies for finding it so late.

    Firstly let me tell you of another avenue ( other than the three, someone mentioned in the forum ) by which a defence officer leaves the force ) between 10 and 20 years without any support system from the forces ( no pension, privileges etc ) .The high risk takers or the most disgusted ones , your take :-) . I am one of them.

    A long long time back , I read an article which said ,out of Fortune 500 , about 173 had CEOs with a defence background ( cant remember the source though ) and an internship with an MNC in a foreign country changed my thinking .

    But the journey has been tough so far , even with a top of the line management degree, not in terms of flexibility and challenges but in terms of finding a true value job that would stretch my qualifications and enable me to work with some bright minds .And I have never seen a better team or values than in the army …..

    I just thought I would share some opinions that I have …

    1. The corporates are much focused and do not run on charity . They have no reason to hire any ‘fauji’ unless the fauji can give them the kind of returns they are looking at . So if you are 28/41/52 years old first think what value you will bring to them with your experience and age.

    2. The CTC component that we calculate in the army is ir-revhealant , all merely depends on the value you bring to the table ( please note , once you are out of the fauji system , you are competing with Engineers, MBAs who have been in the industry, gained expertise in the function ,have lead and have performed extremely well, in realty the guys from tech services and back end guys have a better chance , u poor infantarians … ) the first question each fauji should ask is ‘why me’ and how can I really show ( in my CV and performance that I can contribute better than this top B school guy with actual experience – this is not meant for those who are looking for 3-5 lakhs an year , but good for them to keep in mind )

    3. Yes , given the chance to go thorough the learning curve ( means , u are selected, trained and then put on a position etc etc ) ,the faujis will do extremely well .But again every fauji should not expect this because there is enough talent available as it is( specially if you care looking at attractive compensation packages ) .

    4. Do look at the age factor when you look for jobs in MNCs or good Indian Cos ,they have their own age band for each job ,how do you guys feel when u have an ACC guys or a re… guy at your regimental centre as an officer ……

    ciao for now Sunil

    Comment by Sunil — October 8, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

  28. Sunil,

    Thanks for dropping by and the comments. I agree that this kind of frank talk is actually needed to drive the truth home. Some facts may be unpalatable, but they stand as they are.

    Comment by Pragmatic — October 9, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

  29. [...] Notwithstanding this tacit admission, Pragmatic has earlier explored the chasm between the aspirations of a soldier and offerings of the corporate world. Many a serving uniformed men and women (and their well-wishers) might be pinning their hopes on the Sixth Pay Commission. If this latest news report is anything to go by, they might be in for a big disappointment. For over four million government employees, including military personnel, the Sixth Pay Commission may not usher in a dramatic new era where salaries are more in tune with skyrocketing wages in the private sector. [...]

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  30. hello all,
    it has been enlightening to go through all the debates and counter debates . Certain facts brought out are cent percent true. With 7 years in the army , i feel that enough is enough , there is no money and the work expected out of us is out of the world . Though i was a short service officer yet i thought may be in future things would improve , but alas it hasnt . Now i yearn to quit the army , not because of the salaries outside but for a lot of other reasons . I dont know my worth outside , but hopefully in the days to come , i will come out of fauj and crawl my way up on the corporate ladder.

    Comment by sumesh — December 25, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

  31. Its not only the less salary for which faujis are putting up their papers to seek a career in corporate world. The value system of age old Army is going downhill.Lets accept it that change in civvy street scenario in terms of economic growth has very strongly effected Army.
    I am not recieving my revised pay for getting promoted to ‘LtCol’ 10 months before because gazette notification is not published…
    can yu beat it..? Army needs to revise its own adm system before blaming govt of india for ignoring it.

    Comment by Dinesh — January 12, 2008 @ 3:55 am

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