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	<title>Comments on: Japan And India: A Relationship To Watch?</title>
	<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/</link>
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		<title>By: The Indian Economy Blog &#187; The much-discussed IHT post</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-212336</link>
		<dc:creator>The Indian Economy Blog &#187; The much-discussed IHT post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This concerns a post made by International Herald Tribune columnist, Daniel Altman, on his blog, about India and Japan. IEB bloggers Pragmatic and Shefaly have already blogged about it, here and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This concerns a post made by International Herald Tribune columnist, Daniel Altman, on his blog, about India and Japan. IEB bloggers Pragmatic and Shefaly have already blogged about it, here and here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-210153</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-210153</guid>
		<description>Yin: Thanks for stopping by. You say: "But lately it’s hard not to read an article on India without also seeing the phrase “to contain the rise of China.”". Really? I do not know what media you read but I read plenty of material which discusses India on its own, India in the context of its history/ culture/ dynamic growth/ US relationship/ poverty, India and fashion, India and Europe, India and acquisitions abroad. Not a lot of them mention China. Share some links with us, please so we can all understand what you mean. Thanks. 

Rajeev Kumar: Thanks for sharing your views. You say: "Good relationships can be built without requiring ancient ties." The examples you give are interesting esp because the common theme appears to be 'my foe's foe is my friend'. No? 

The relationship with China requires some interesting political 'adjustments' from India such as acknowledging Tibet is Chinese, while sheltering the Dalai Lama. I would put my money on the fact that after 1962, there isn't likely to be another 'Hindi Cheeni Bhai Bhai' phase. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yin: Thanks for stopping by. You say: &#8220;But lately it’s hard not to read an article on India without also seeing the phrase “to contain the rise of China.”&#8221;. Really? I do not know what media you read but I read plenty of material which discusses India on its own, India in the context of its history/ culture/ dynamic growth/ US relationship/ poverty, India and fashion, India and Europe, India and acquisitions abroad. Not a lot of them mention China. Share some links with us, please so we can all understand what you mean. Thanks. </p>
<p>Rajeev Kumar: Thanks for sharing your views. You say: &#8220;Good relationships can be built without requiring ancient ties.&#8221; The examples you give are interesting esp because the common theme appears to be &#8216;my foe&#8217;s foe is my friend&#8217;. No? </p>
<p>The relationship with China requires some interesting political &#8216;adjustments&#8217; from India such as acknowledging Tibet is Chinese, while sheltering the Dalai Lama. I would put my money on the fact that after 1962, there isn&#8217;t likely to be another &#8216;Hindi Cheeni Bhai Bhai&#8217; phase. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Kumar</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-209723</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-209723</guid>
		<description>We should not worry about "pissing off China."  Given their relationship with Pakistan and their grandstanding on Araunchal Pradesh, there is no reason why a Japan, US, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, India alliance should not be declared today.  That is not to say that we should do this as it would only create a lot of unnecessary tensions.

But China will continue to trade with India regardless.  And if India-China trade suffers, then it is not a problem.  In their trade with India they mostly import minerals and ores and export steel and textiles, even if it shows on paper as a surplus for India.  They aren't stupid, they want TCS and Infosys to continue to invest in their human capital, while we give them our mineral wealth and have it shipped back to us as finished products. Mercantilism at its best.

Japan is a benign country that is giving India a way to utilize and develop its human capital, not to be manipulated for its natural resources.  So what if they want to use our labor force to satisfy our internal market and they profit from it?  Isn't that how economies grow.  And yes they have many common interests from patrolling the oil shipping lanes against pirates to containing China.

And as for our historical ties, lets not forget Siddharta Gautama.  And they don't seem to have any animosity towards Subash Chandra Bose either.  Previous relations are not a requirement for good relations in the present.  Look at India and Israel, China and Pakistan.  Good relationships can be built without requiring ancient ties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should not worry about &#8220;pissing off China.&#8221;  Given their relationship with Pakistan and their grandstanding on Araunchal Pradesh, there is no reason why a Japan, US, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, India alliance should not be declared today.  That is not to say that we should do this as it would only create a lot of unnecessary tensions.</p>
<p>But China will continue to trade with India regardless.  And if India-China trade suffers, then it is not a problem.  In their trade with India they mostly import minerals and ores and export steel and textiles, even if it shows on paper as a surplus for India.  They aren&#8217;t stupid, they want TCS and Infosys to continue to invest in their human capital, while we give them our mineral wealth and have it shipped back to us as finished products. Mercantilism at its best.</p>
<p>Japan is a benign country that is giving India a way to utilize and develop its human capital, not to be manipulated for its natural resources.  So what if they want to use our labor force to satisfy our internal market and they profit from it?  Isn&#8217;t that how economies grow.  And yes they have many common interests from patrolling the oil shipping lanes against pirates to containing China.</p>
<p>And as for our historical ties, lets not forget Siddharta Gautama.  And they don&#8217;t seem to have any animosity towards Subash Chandra Bose either.  Previous relations are not a requirement for good relations in the present.  Look at India and Israel, China and Pakistan.  Good relationships can be built without requiring ancient ties.</p>
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		<title>By: yin</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-209672</link>
		<dc:creator>yin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-209672</guid>
		<description>I'm not sure the news reports of India's obsession with containing China is India-made or American-made. But lately it's hard not to read an article on India without also seeing the phrase "to contain the rise of China."

It makes the Chinese feel quite uncomfortable, and they are undoubtedly preparing countermeasures.  At this point in India's development, it is simply not the most brilliant idea to piss off its largest northern neighbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the news reports of India&#8217;s obsession with containing China is India-made or American-made. But lately it&#8217;s hard not to read an article on India without also seeing the phrase &#8220;to contain the rise of China.&#8221;</p>
<p>It makes the Chinese feel quite uncomfortable, and they are undoubtedly preparing countermeasures.  At this point in India&#8217;s development, it is simply not the most brilliant idea to piss off its largest northern neighbor.</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207322</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207322</guid>
		<description>Eric: Thanks for stopping by and sharing your views.

"There is no eternal friend or foe, only eternal interests". Great point. Thankfully it does not always apply between human beings, but it is always the case in international alliances (or should they be called 'dalliances'?). 

Even better I like your analogy of the popular girl! :-) For the girl, the trick is in knowing when to commit and to whom, and later, whether to move on and when. 

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: Thanks for stopping by and sharing your views.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no eternal friend or foe, only eternal interests&#8221;. Great point. Thankfully it does not always apply between human beings, but it is always the case in international alliances (or should they be called &#8216;dalliances&#8217;?). </p>
<p>Even better I like your analogy of the popular girl! :-) For the girl, the trick is in knowing when to commit and to whom, and later, whether to move on and when. </p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207194</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207194</guid>
		<description>India should treat this proposal by Japan PM as a business plan, don't look at it as an alliance against china. Remember there is no eternal friend or foe, only eternal interests. Containing china may be in Japan and US interests, india should only pay lip services to them and trade with china to gain leverage with china. Just like a popular girl who is chased by serveral rich guys, india should take full advantage of this chance before fully committed to one side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India should treat this proposal by Japan PM as a business plan, don&#8217;t look at it as an alliance against china. Remember there is no eternal friend or foe, only eternal interests. Containing china may be in Japan and US interests, india should only pay lip services to them and trade with china to gain leverage with china. Just like a popular girl who is chased by serveral rich guys, india should take full advantage of this chance before fully committed to one side.</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207075</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207075</guid>
		<description>Chum: You are welcome (and that is as far as my rhyming/ poetic skills go!).

Good extension to analogy. Americans probably know all about being disliked by the rest of the world so now they are getting even I guess! 

I am glad you liked the article though. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chum: You are welcome (and that is as far as my rhyming/ poetic skills go!).</p>
<p>Good extension to analogy. Americans probably know all about being disliked by the rest of the world so now they are getting even I guess! </p>
<p>I am glad you liked the article though. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: chum</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207067</link>
		<dc:creator>chum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207067</guid>
		<description>Shefaly:

I liked the metaphor and here is more to it ...

Yes the elephant will continue its march regardless but if a silly ant tries to meddle with the nose, it is going to hold the trunk up in the air and let the whole world know that he dislikes it.

The point I am trying to make here is that it is not a trivial matter to disparage anyone and any country. Now whether we all do it some time or other. Probably yes. but when IHT article says, its bad and it should be told so.

Sorry for hijacking your comments section (and for digression) of your otherwise-well-written article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shefaly:</p>
<p>I liked the metaphor and here is more to it &#8230;</p>
<p>Yes the elephant will continue its march regardless but if a silly ant tries to meddle with the nose, it is going to hold the trunk up in the air and let the whole world know that he dislikes it.</p>
<p>The point I am trying to make here is that it is not a trivial matter to disparage anyone and any country. Now whether we all do it some time or other. Probably yes. but when IHT article says, its bad and it should be told so.</p>
<p>Sorry for hijacking your comments section (and for digression) of your otherwise-well-written article.</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207039</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207039</guid>
		<description>Chum: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

Altman is a journalist; it is his job to come up with sensational, attention-grabbing stuff like this. To me, however, seeing a Harvard PhD Economist, a journalist at the IHT resort to emotive, poorly argued commentary of the needling/ fingering sort is amusing. I can however see why many others are not so amused. :-)

When I was growing up, I had heard a saying "When an elephant walks, the grass gets crushed and dust flies, but the elephant walks, regardless". An apt metaphor, I think, for the changing situation in the world. 

I foresee more commentaries of this sort, as the power balance in the world changes. 

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chum: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. </p>
<p>Altman is a journalist; it is his job to come up with sensational, attention-grabbing stuff like this. To me, however, seeing a Harvard PhD Economist, a journalist at the IHT resort to emotive, poorly argued commentary of the needling/ fingering sort is amusing. I can however see why many others are not so amused. :-)</p>
<p>When I was growing up, I had heard a saying &#8220;When an elephant walks, the grass gets crushed and dust flies, but the elephant walks, regardless&#8221;. An apt metaphor, I think, for the changing situation in the world. </p>
<p>I foresee more commentaries of this sort, as the power balance in the world changes. </p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: chum</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207032</link>
		<dc:creator>chum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/08/21/japan-and-india-a-relationship-to-watch/#comment-207032</guid>
		<description>“Why is our self-esteem so fragile that one random comment gets so many otherwise-perfectly-cognitive people so excited and emotional?”

I have a problem with this. I like your arguments sans this one. It is not fragile it is just very important and we are touchy about it. If you think about why the author came up with the "provocative" title....  it shows how a person is so uncomfortable with the changing dynamics happening in today's world. It expresses his frustration on the fact that west and other developed countries are sort of losing grip. To me, this was totally unnecessary. The point he wanted to make could have been done in a better way by stating and analyzing more facts and with more general title. With such title and not much analysis the author failed to actually  make his point as now part of the discussion is about banging the author and not the content.

On a more general front, I dislike the trend of serious authors taking the blogosphere route to test the sentiment before actually coming up with a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Why is our self-esteem so fragile that one random comment gets so many otherwise-perfectly-cognitive people so excited and emotional?”</p>
<p>I have a problem with this. I like your arguments sans this one. It is not fragile it is just very important and we are touchy about it. If you think about why the author came up with the &#8220;provocative&#8221; title&#8230;.  it shows how a person is so uncomfortable with the changing dynamics happening in today&#8217;s world. It expresses his frustration on the fact that west and other developed countries are sort of losing grip. To me, this was totally unnecessary. The point he wanted to make could have been done in a better way by stating and analyzing more facts and with more general title. With such title and not much analysis the author failed to actually  make his point as now part of the discussion is about banging the author and not the content.</p>
<p>On a more general front, I dislike the trend of serious authors taking the blogosphere route to test the sentiment before actually coming up with a story.</p>
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