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		<title>By: PEEKAY</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-268280</link>
		<dc:creator>PEEKAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Field Marhall was a true a true gentle man ,great soldier &amp;a patriot who could speak against the highest auth when need necssiated. True he spoke much but inpired motivation . He was liked ,almost loved by his men.Was speakining not an art? for his men to go in war willingly with heart out . 
     I had the preveledge of being  offered food filled his own plate when in OCT 71 ,he came to address troops in Amritsar/western front before the operation. I was second lieutenant &amp; accompnied our CO LT COL Pal Fernandes  as per the that time tradition. He spoke number of things which can be called braggings but we all laughed &amp;we automatically linked with the MAN for any thing he wanted . Wasthat not true soldiering?

    Col Khuswaha or any other may say anything for resons they know better but ,he was indeed THE BEST seniors in Armed forced I could know in my 27 years of service from1970 to 97May HIS soul rest in peace. He shall always should be known as some of the best soldiers INDIA ever produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Field Marhall was a true a true gentle man ,great soldier &amp;a patriot who could speak against the highest auth when need necssiated. True he spoke much but inpired motivation . He was liked ,almost loved by his men.Was speakining not an art? for his men to go in war willingly with heart out .<br />
     I had the preveledge of being  offered food filled his own plate when in OCT 71 ,he came to address troops in Amritsar/western front before the operation. I was second lieutenant &amp; accompnied our CO LT COL Pal Fernandes  as per the that time tradition. He spoke number of things which can be called braggings but we all laughed &amp;we automatically linked with the MAN for any thing he wanted . Wasthat not true soldiering?</p>
<p>    Col Khuswaha or any other may say anything for resons they know better but ,he was indeed THE BEST seniors in Armed forced I could know in my 27 years of service from1970 to 97May HIS soul rest in peace. He shall always should be known as some of the best soldiers INDIA ever produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-267801</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute the Field Marshals.........and all those who  have guts to speak out truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute the Field Marshals&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and all those who  have guts to speak out truth.</p>
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		<title>By: goldwinner</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-267700</link>
		<dc:creator>goldwinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And not a word about the only woman led the country that fought and won a war since - I don&#039;t f&amp;*^ing know since when. The country was ruled by inept Macaulay educated liberals. 

INDIRA GANDHI - was the only woman who had some testosterone to lead the country to a winning war. 

We are not surrounded by Gandhian administered nations. All our neighbors are vile and corrupt a million times more than your worst politician. What we need is a million Indira Gandhis. But all we have are a billion Manekshaws - good followers and deliverers but not bold decision makers. 

BTW - all armies have been corrupt since time immemorial. The current Indian army is an exception. When I see corrupt and heartless officials, I know that the army is in good hands. The last thing I want is a Gandhi with a gun guarding my borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And not a word about the only woman led the country that fought and won a war since &#8211; I don&#8217;t f&amp;*^ing know since when. The country was ruled by inept Macaulay educated liberals. </p>
<p>INDIRA GANDHI &#8211; was the only woman who had some testosterone to lead the country to a winning war. </p>
<p>We are not surrounded by Gandhian administered nations. All our neighbors are vile and corrupt a million times more than your worst politician. What we need is a million Indira Gandhis. But all we have are a billion Manekshaws &#8211; good followers and deliverers but not bold decision makers. </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; all armies have been corrupt since time immemorial. The current Indian army is an exception. When I see corrupt and heartless officials, I know that the army is in good hands. The last thing I want is a Gandhi with a gun guarding my borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajneesh</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-267164</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajneesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those doubting on Sam Bahadur&#039;s narration please recall that 1) He spoke this not only after Indira Gandhi&#039;s death but much earlier on many occasions 2) It is a well known fact that on many occsions he used to address Indra gandhi  as Sweetie due to his Parsi connection 3) He was all but a brave man having survived LMG bullets and granade splinters through his body. 4)If his statements were wrong they would have been denied by the establishment as all the proceedings of the cabinet are recorded verbatim 5) In 1995 a whole lot of members of Indira&#039;s cabinet were alive and would have denied his statements if not true. 6) How can anyone call him a paper generals with war wounds and active experience if 5 wars. Please remember his first statement in NEFA was &#039;There will be no more withdrawls&#039; when the poorly equipped Army by Nehru and Menon was retreating. His thousand photographs touring the front to motivate his soldiers are a testimony of what he was 7) Surely, there must have been a few arseholes like Col. Kushwaha who must be feeling scratchy in their arse because Sam Bahadur didn&#039;t kick on their stinking butt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those doubting on Sam Bahadur&#8217;s narration please recall that 1) He spoke this not only after Indira Gandhi&#8217;s death but much earlier on many occasions 2) It is a well known fact that on many occsions he used to address Indra gandhi  as Sweetie due to his Parsi connection 3) He was all but a brave man having survived LMG bullets and granade splinters through his body. 4)If his statements were wrong they would have been denied by the establishment as all the proceedings of the cabinet are recorded verbatim 5) In 1995 a whole lot of members of Indira&#8217;s cabinet were alive and would have denied his statements if not true. 6) How can anyone call him a paper generals with war wounds and active experience if 5 wars. Please remember his first statement in NEFA was &#8216;There will be no more withdrawls&#8217; when the poorly equipped Army by Nehru and Menon was retreating. His thousand photographs touring the front to motivate his soldiers are a testimony of what he was 7) Surely, there must have been a few arseholes like Col. Kushwaha who must be feeling scratchy in their arse because Sam Bahadur didn&#8217;t kick on their stinking butt</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-06-28 &#171; Unjustly</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-267138</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-06-28 &#171; Unjustly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Indian Economy Blog » When Manekshaw Confronted Indira’s Cabinet “Yes! It is my job to tell you the truth” I responded, “and it is my job to fight, it is my job to fight to win and I have to tell you the truth.” (tags: SamManekshaw Maneckshaw truth courage) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Indian Economy Blog » When Manekshaw Confronted Indira’s Cabinet “Yes! It is my job to tell you the truth” I responded, “and it is my job to fight, it is my job to fight to win and I have to tell you the truth.” (tags: SamManekshaw Maneckshaw truth courage) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Manekhsaw (1914-2008) : It&#8217;s Indiatime</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-267123</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Manekhsaw (1914-2008) : It&#8217;s Indiatime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sam Manekshaw (Field Marshal Cariappa Memorial Lecture - 1995), remembering the first cabinet meeting on 1971 Indo-Pak [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic Euphony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The rotten ketchup</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2007/10/12/when-manekshaw-confronted-indiras-cabinet/comment-page-1/#comment-265233</link>
		<dc:creator>Pragmatic Euphony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The rotten ketchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] style. I wonder what that old soldier Sam Manekshaw would have done in a similar situation. [Read this post on how he confronted Indira&#8217;s cabinet in 1971.] He turned 95 today. Happy Birthday, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] style. I wonder what that old soldier Sam Manekshaw would have done in a similar situation. [Read this post on how he confronted Indira&#8217;s cabinet in 1971.] He turned 95 today. Happy Birthday, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pankaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragmatic,

Fair enough - I cannot deny in any way that maneckshaw was brave enough to be wounded in a battle, and you cannot deny that maneckshaw always blew his own bugle and tomtommed his own glory in a flamboyant manner, with great oratory skills. 

And its a truth that lies entirely beyond your view and mine, that a good leader never publicly belittles the contribution of the rest of the team in a victory, nor goes around bragging how he ticked off powerful people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatic,</p>
<p>Fair enough &#8211; I cannot deny in any way that maneckshaw was brave enough to be wounded in a battle, and you cannot deny that maneckshaw always blew his own bugle and tomtommed his own glory in a flamboyant manner, with great oratory skills. </p>
<p>And its a truth that lies entirely beyond your view and mine, that a good leader never publicly belittles the contribution of the rest of the team in a victory, nor goes around bragging how he ticked off powerful people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragmatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pankaj:
Your views and I am entitled to mine. He had a flamboyant persona and a great orator. If these can be held against him being a great General, I don&#039;t know. Finally, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and 1971 was a strategic victory, the only one that India has had, despite US pressure - unlike Kargil [not belittling the sacrifices of our yong officers in any way], a localised battle and with international support on your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pankaj:<br />
Your views and I am entitled to mine. He had a flamboyant persona and a great orator. If these can be held against him being a great General, I don&#8217;t know. Finally, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and 1971 was a strategic victory, the only one that India has had, despite US pressure &#8211; unlike Kargil [not belittling the sacrifices of our yong officers in any way], a localised battle and with international support on your side.</p>
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		<title>By: pankaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragmatic,

Fisrtly, things said in jest often point to deeper points of view. Not always, certainly, but you will be surprised how often it happens.

Secondly, how exactly do you know that he said it in jest? 

Do you believe that a responsible leader of men would (or should) even suggest in jest that he was the sole reason for success? Especially in front of a foreign press? If so, it suggests very bad judgment. 

Thirdly, leave flamboyance aside. Do you disagree that maneckshaw had a powerful ego, and that one rarely sees any aspect of humility in him? If so, then his statement (which you attribute to jest) fits in with his persona like a glove. 
Consider his reporting of his own interaction with mrs. Gandhi - does it not distinctly show how he ticked her off? 

Make no mistake - this is a man tomtomming his OWN glory. 

Consider that you are citing a man&#039;s self-reported bravery as a mark of his greatness. I mean, WHO goes around telling people of his own great feats and moral integrity and bravery? (He does it superlatively, though - that I grant you).

I am sorry my friend - the image of a powerful and dynamic general (who led his country to victory in spite of every other nincompoop) is very hypnotizing, and it appears to me that this image has you in its grip. Easy mistake to make.
Single individuals can rarely lead to victory or success - it is always always always the entire team. 

Think of it like this - he might have been a great guy - but much of his legend seems to have only been due to his charm as a great story-teller. I think, he would have been equally successful in the field of advertising - he&#039;d have been better than alyque padamsee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatic,</p>
<p>Fisrtly, things said in jest often point to deeper points of view. Not always, certainly, but you will be surprised how often it happens.</p>
<p>Secondly, how exactly do you know that he said it in jest? </p>
<p>Do you believe that a responsible leader of men would (or should) even suggest in jest that he was the sole reason for success? Especially in front of a foreign press? If so, it suggests very bad judgment. </p>
<p>Thirdly, leave flamboyance aside. Do you disagree that maneckshaw had a powerful ego, and that one rarely sees any aspect of humility in him? If so, then his statement (which you attribute to jest) fits in with his persona like a glove.<br />
Consider his reporting of his own interaction with mrs. Gandhi &#8211; does it not distinctly show how he ticked her off? </p>
<p>Make no mistake &#8211; this is a man tomtomming his OWN glory. </p>
<p>Consider that you are citing a man&#8217;s self-reported bravery as a mark of his greatness. I mean, WHO goes around telling people of his own great feats and moral integrity and bravery? (He does it superlatively, though &#8211; that I grant you).</p>
<p>I am sorry my friend &#8211; the image of a powerful and dynamic general (who led his country to victory in spite of every other nincompoop) is very hypnotizing, and it appears to me that this image has you in its grip. Easy mistake to make.<br />
Single individuals can rarely lead to victory or success &#8211; it is always always always the entire team. </p>
<p>Think of it like this &#8211; he might have been a great guy &#8211; but much of his legend seems to have only been due to his charm as a great story-teller. I think, he would have been equally successful in the field of advertising &#8211; he&#8217;d have been better than alyque padamsee.</p>
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