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		<title>By: Nikhil Nayak</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2008/06/03/guest-post-on-the-price-of-crude-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-268590</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikhil Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its pretty clear now that speculation was playing a huge part in inflating oil prices.  Even with hurricane Gustav and a bunch of other threats on the horizon the price of WTI has been dropping.  I don&#039;t believe even $100/barrel can be maintained.  My guess is that WTI will drop below $90 in the next couple of months.

For us here in India what is interesting to note is that the Indian oil companies do not source their oil from the North Sea or Texas.  Still prices went sky high on &quot;global cues&quot; and they still are hovering at July levels.  Even more interesting, I am told that Reliance reports prices of approx $88 on their balance sheet which could be a fair indication of what the real price is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its pretty clear now that speculation was playing a huge part in inflating oil prices.  Even with hurricane Gustav and a bunch of other threats on the horizon the price of WTI has been dropping.  I don&#8217;t believe even $100/barrel can be maintained.  My guess is that WTI will drop below $90 in the next couple of months.</p>
<p>For us here in India what is interesting to note is that the Indian oil companies do not source their oil from the North Sea or Texas.  Still prices went sky high on &#8220;global cues&#8221; and they still are hovering at July levels.  Even more interesting, I am told that Reliance reports prices of approx $88 on their balance sheet which could be a fair indication of what the real price is.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post by Nageswaran. 

With Keneth Rogoff, ex-IMF chief economist, predicting further crisis in the US financial system which  even the sovereign wealth funds from the arabs will be hard put to revive (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20557.htm);can one expect the crude prices to drop below $100/barrel? 

Presently, the price is hovering around $115 with a 1 year forecast of $150.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post by Nageswaran. </p>
<p>With Keneth Rogoff, ex-IMF chief economist, predicting further crisis in the US financial system which  even the sovereign wealth funds from the arabs will be hard put to revive (<a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20557.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20557.htm</a>);can one expect the crude prices to drop below $100/barrel? </p>
<p>Presently, the price is hovering around $115 with a 1 year forecast of $150.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Nayak</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2008/06/03/guest-post-on-the-price-of-crude-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-268101</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikhil Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the point of the price of crude oil:   I don&#039;t think that anyone doubts the assertion that there is more demand for oil than ever before.  China and India alone are adding huge pressure to the demand alone.  In that sense the assertion that market fundamentals are still driving oil prices high are still true.

My point was that commodity market speculation especially the CFD market based on oil futures is possibly driving prices &lt;i&gt;further still.&lt;/i&gt;  The Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) based in London has recently been in talks with US counterparts to reign in some of it.  It is being debated but the fact is when investors play the oil futures market with such instruments prices can be affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the point of the price of crude oil:   I don&#8217;t think that anyone doubts the assertion that there is more demand for oil than ever before.  China and India alone are adding huge pressure to the demand alone.  In that sense the assertion that market fundamentals are still driving oil prices high are still true.</p>
<p>My point was that commodity market speculation especially the CFD market based on oil futures is possibly driving prices <i>further still.</i>  The Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) based in London has recently been in talks with US counterparts to reign in some of it.  It is being debated but the fact is when investors play the oil futures market with such instruments prices can be affected.</p>
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		<title>By: satish</title>
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		<dc:creator>satish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we need stop loss when there is no expiry which increases the counter party risk to infinite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we need stop loss when there is no expiry which increases the counter party risk to infinite.</p>
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		<title>By: Satish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most crude oil price around the world are benchmarked to WTI. WTI has got 
expiry. So WTI crude must be lower if it cannot be used as a hedge at expiry. Supply must be really tight for speculators to benefit on upside.
If we had 4mbd of spare capcity speculators will not dare to move price upside.
CFD&#039;s can work for stocks which has no depreciation. I dont know how it works for commodities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most crude oil price around the world are benchmarked to WTI. WTI has got<br />
expiry. So WTI crude must be lower if it cannot be used as a hedge at expiry. Supply must be really tight for speculators to benefit on upside.<br />
If we had 4mbd of spare capcity speculators will not dare to move price upside.<br />
CFD&#8217;s can work for stocks which has no depreciation. I dont know how it works for commodities.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Nayak</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2008/06/03/guest-post-on-the-price-of-crude-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-268045</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikhil Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satish,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2008/db20080716_119625.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Business Week article I refered to&lt;/a&gt; was more to point out that speculation in oil is a major factor in the current oil price scenario.  The fact that US demand is going down is a result of high prices.  What this has done is create a bad sentiment and is probably going to attract legislation on commodities trading.   I believe this is going to result in less people taking positions on futures contracts.   

I have to clarify that the contracts for difference market or CFDs was on my mind when I made the initial comment. At the moment on the CFD market the initial margin is only 1%.  Based on a 100 barrel contract of $13,600 of West Texas or Brent @ say $136/barrel, the initial margin is only $136.  Also there is no time limit. CFDs have no time frame to closing out the contract. This is definitely an attractive place to be and in my opinion many of the institutional investors are right there right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satish,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2008/db20080716_119625.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories" rel="nofollow">The Business Week article I refered to</a> was more to point out that speculation in oil is a major factor in the current oil price scenario.  The fact that US demand is going down is a result of high prices.  What this has done is create a bad sentiment and is probably going to attract legislation on commodities trading.   I believe this is going to result in less people taking positions on futures contracts.   </p>
<p>I have to clarify that the contracts for difference market or CFDs was on my mind when I made the initial comment. At the moment on the CFD market the initial margin is only 1%.  Based on a 100 barrel contract of $13,600 of West Texas or Brent @ say $136/barrel, the initial margin is only $136.  Also there is no time limit. CFDs have no time frame to closing out the contract. This is definitely an attractive place to be and in my opinion many of the institutional investors are right there right now.</p>
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		<title>By: satish</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2008/06/03/guest-post-on-the-price-of-crude-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-267993</link>
		<dc:creator>satish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Futures market can be driven up only if there is demand-supply gap.
Let me remind that for every buyer of futures there is a seller if the buyer is speculator. If not at the expiry speculator must take delivery which is not found true by CFTC. So the speculative buyer must square his position which will pull the price down if there is excess supply. If there is shortage it will short squeeze which will drive price higher.
Economics 101 simply.

Look for july 21st, 22nd. Expiry of current month futures. If the price remains at current level, we can safely assume that there is not enough demand at 147$/ barrel. Price on july 22nd is the real price as the current month futures expires. To get a better idea look at spot prices. Somebody is buying oil at 130$/barrel.

To nikhil
Since oil is the backbone of economy, reduction in oil consumption can be translated into recession for US (ie) demand drop for oil in US means recession for US. lly demand drop for oil from world will mean global recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Futures market can be driven up only if there is demand-supply gap.<br />
Let me remind that for every buyer of futures there is a seller if the buyer is speculator. If not at the expiry speculator must take delivery which is not found true by CFTC. So the speculative buyer must square his position which will pull the price down if there is excess supply. If there is shortage it will short squeeze which will drive price higher.<br />
Economics 101 simply.</p>
<p>Look for july 21st, 22nd. Expiry of current month futures. If the price remains at current level, we can safely assume that there is not enough demand at 147$/ barrel. Price on july 22nd is the real price as the current month futures expires. To get a better idea look at spot prices. Somebody is buying oil at 130$/barrel.</p>
<p>To nikhil<br />
Since oil is the backbone of economy, reduction in oil consumption can be translated into recession for US (ie) demand drop for oil in US means recession for US. lly demand drop for oil from world will mean global recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Nayak</title>
		<link>http://indianeconomy.org/2008/06/03/guest-post-on-the-price-of-crude-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-267972</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikhil Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Excerpt from Business Week: &quot;Astonishing&quot; drop in demand&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Analysts say that while oil traders have been betting on surging demand from developing countries such as India and China, reduced demand in the U.S. is now sending bearish signals the markets can&#039;t ignore. Moreover, Energy Dept. data released July 16 showed a 3 million barrel jump in U.S. crude inventories, to 296.9 million barrels; analysts had expected a decline. Moreover, U.S. demand for energy products has fallen 2% from the same period last summer, according to a four-week average federal regulators release weekly. &quot;I think this is a precursor to a much bigger sell-off,&quot; says Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover, an energy risk-management firm in New Canaan, Conn. &quot;It&#039;s very possible we have seen the worst this [price surge] is going to do to us. The tide is starting to change.&quot;

Fingerman points to the 5% drop in U.S. gasoline demand from the same time a year ago as evidence of a &quot;structural shift in the car economy.&quot; He points to the sharp sales declines for large vehicles at General Motors (GM) and Ford (F), as well as wider use of public transport.

Since the U.S. consumes a quarter of the world&#039;s gasoline on a daily basis, lower U.S. demand has a &quot;huge ripple effect&quot; on the market, and that is starting to be reflected in prices, says Fingerman, who considers $80 oil possible by year&#039;s end. &quot;I think it&#039;s the beginning of the end,&quot; he says. &quot;The fundamental data just keeps getting more and more bearish.&quot; Another oil contrarian, Lehman Brothers (LEH) energy economist Edward L. Morse, sees oil in the lower $90 range by 2009. &quot;The drop in demand (BusinessWeek, 7/16/08) has been astonishing, particularly in the U.S.,&quot; Morse says. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Excerpt from Business Week: &#8220;Astonishing&#8221; drop in demand</b></p>
<p><i>Analysts say that while oil traders have been betting on surging demand from developing countries such as India and China, reduced demand in the U.S. is now sending bearish signals the markets can&#8217;t ignore. Moreover, Energy Dept. data released July 16 showed a 3 million barrel jump in U.S. crude inventories, to 296.9 million barrels; analysts had expected a decline. Moreover, U.S. demand for energy products has fallen 2% from the same period last summer, according to a four-week average federal regulators release weekly. &#8220;I think this is a precursor to a much bigger sell-off,&#8221; says Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover, an energy risk-management firm in New Canaan, Conn. &#8220;It&#8217;s very possible we have seen the worst this [price surge] is going to do to us. The tide is starting to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fingerman points to the 5% drop in U.S. gasoline demand from the same time a year ago as evidence of a &#8220;structural shift in the car economy.&#8221; He points to the sharp sales declines for large vehicles at General Motors (GM) and Ford (F), as well as wider use of public transport.</p>
<p>Since the U.S. consumes a quarter of the world&#8217;s gasoline on a daily basis, lower U.S. demand has a &#8220;huge ripple effect&#8221; on the market, and that is starting to be reflected in prices, says Fingerman, who considers $80 oil possible by year&#8217;s end. &#8220;I think it&#8217;s the beginning of the end,&#8221; he says. &#8220;The fundamental data just keeps getting more and more bearish.&#8221; Another oil contrarian, Lehman Brothers (LEH) energy economist Edward L. Morse, sees oil in the lower $90 range by 2009. &#8220;The drop in demand (BusinessWeek, 7/16/08) has been astonishing, particularly in the U.S.,&#8221; Morse says. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Nayak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikhil Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons for the acceleration in oil prices is definitely the futures market.  With the slide of the dollar against other currencies, investors (whoever they may be) are using oil as a hedge.  Investing in oil futures is a great hedge against inflation as well. 

The relatively low initial margins required to play oil futures has definitely had its effects on oil prices.  It would be interesting to see oil price behavior if margin money was increased by the clearing houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons for the acceleration in oil prices is definitely the futures market.  With the slide of the dollar against other currencies, investors (whoever they may be) are using oil as a hedge.  Investing in oil futures is a great hedge against inflation as well. </p>
<p>The relatively low initial margins required to play oil futures has definitely had its effects on oil prices.  It would be interesting to see oil price behavior if margin money was increased by the clearing houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Siva Moturi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siva Moturi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not get into this tunnel vision and limit ourself to purposeless fabrications of bi-directional ulterior-motives that US had with regards to oil (ex: ”US allowing high gas prices to recapitaize weakened wallstreet”  is such a wild fictional content on this blog that forced me to go beyond my usval restraint) . Forward looking platform with facts (not fiction) driving our discussion, certainly filled with constructive criticism is what we need look at this blogs for and from. Analysis has to be done to educate and inspire the reader, not to entertain him. Facts, data and analysis is what a micro/macro economic analysis is meant to be.

American innovation historically is at its best when there is an underlying capitalistic incentive and urge to innovate for that specific cause. Painfully high gas prices at the pump definitely is good for the globe in the long-run considering vast amount of brain-trust redirected towards finding an alternative to oil. 

~$4 billion USD pumped into outcome-driven research in alternative fuels by venture capital over the last 18 months would be a game changer going forward. 

Look at these Capitalism-driven innovations transforming our lives around computing, healthcare and energy, if you need living and breathing exampes of ground breaking innovation:

Automotive-class LithiumIon from A123 getting us a car from GM and others in the next 12 months with &lt;70centsPerGallon (compare that to $5).

Blockbuster biological drugs from Amgen and Genentech (ex Herceptin) literally rewriting the cancer survival rates every month.

ShrinkWrapping a transistor from the size of a hand to 1/100 th size of a single red blood cell (using 45nm Hafnium) by intel.

Commercial production of cellulosic ethanol (ethanol from gas, husk or wood) based on proven Fischer-Tropsch process (instead of expensive enzymes) by range fuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not get into this tunnel vision and limit ourself to purposeless fabrications of bi-directional ulterior-motives that US had with regards to oil (ex: ”US allowing high gas prices to recapitaize weakened wallstreet”  is such a wild fictional content on this blog that forced me to go beyond my usval restraint) . Forward looking platform with facts (not fiction) driving our discussion, certainly filled with constructive criticism is what we need look at this blogs for and from. Analysis has to be done to educate and inspire the reader, not to entertain him. Facts, data and analysis is what a micro/macro economic analysis is meant to be.</p>
<p>American innovation historically is at its best when there is an underlying capitalistic incentive and urge to innovate for that specific cause. Painfully high gas prices at the pump definitely is good for the globe in the long-run considering vast amount of brain-trust redirected towards finding an alternative to oil. </p>
<p>~$4 billion USD pumped into outcome-driven research in alternative fuels by venture capital over the last 18 months would be a game changer going forward. </p>
<p>Look at these Capitalism-driven innovations transforming our lives around computing, healthcare and energy, if you need living and breathing exampes of ground breaking innovation:</p>
<p>Automotive-class LithiumIon from A123 getting us a car from GM and others in the next 12 months with &lt;70centsPerGallon (compare that to $5).</p>
<p>Blockbuster biological drugs from Amgen and Genentech (ex Herceptin) literally rewriting the cancer survival rates every month.</p>
<p>ShrinkWrapping a transistor from the size of a hand to 1/100 th size of a single red blood cell (using 45nm Hafnium) by intel.</p>
<p>Commercial production of cellulosic ethanol (ethanol from gas, husk or wood) based on proven Fischer-Tropsch process (instead of expensive enzymes) by range fuels.</p>
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